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Re: MTU of the Internet?
On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Phil Howard writes: > > By loading the images in parallel, with the initial part of the image files > > being a fuzzy approximation, you get to see about where every button is > > located, and in many cases you know exactly what it is, and you can click > > on them as soon as you know where to go. > > By loading the images in parallel over multiple TCP connections, you > also totally screw the TCP congestion avoidance mechanisms, and hurt > the net as a whole, especially given how prevalent HTTP is these days. > Unfortunately, as has been seen here, very few people working with the > net these days actually understand the details of things the net > depends on, and TCP congestion avoidance is one of them. > > HTTP 1.1 allows multiplexing in a single stream, and even (amazingly Once again, HTTP/1.1 does _not_ allow multiplexing multiple transfers simlultaneously in a single TCP connection. Multiple responses are serialized. > enough) ends up working faster in practice than multiple TCP > connections. I have seen nothing supporting that assertion for high latency, medium (aka. the Internet on a good day) packet loss connections. The discussion at: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/Performance/Pipeline.html shows some interesting information about the wins of persistent connections and piplining, however their tests only went as far as including a 28.8k local dialup, which does not simulate the "average user" going to the "average web site". If you are dropping packets and congestion contol is coming into play, you may see more impact when using one connection that is temporarily stalled than multiple connections, with the hope that at least one will be sending at any time. I am not aware of any research to support (or deny, for that matter) this view, however AFAIK there is a general lack of published research on the interaction between HTTP w/pipelined and persistent connections and the Internet. As I noted before, total transfer time for all the responses that make up one document in the client is not the metric that client vendors are trying to optomize and is not what most users care about. On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Paul A Vixie wrote: > > The state of the art in terms of deployed protocols right now is > > persistent pipelined connections; most clients don't implement them > > yet, but they are getting there. > > explorer and navigator have both done this since their respective 3.0's. As I have already pointed out to Paul, but think it deserves to be emphasized because it is not apparent to many, they do _not_ do pipelined connections but only persistent connections. You can not do reliable pipelined connections with HTTP/1.0. The difference between pipelined persistent and non-pipelined persistent connections (in the case where there are multiple requests to the same server in a row) is one RTT per request plus a possible little bit from merging the tail of one response with the head of another into one packet. Also worthy of note is that the only widespread client that implements HTTP/1.1 is MSIE4, and even it is botched badly, although not as badly as 4.0b2 was. (eg. it sometimes sent 1.1 requests but would only accept 1.0 responses)