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Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way

  • From: Richard Thomas
  • Date: Tue Jun 16 19:35:17 1998

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net>
To: Richard Thomas <buglord@ex-pressnet.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way


>Well, we do it one better - we black-hole the network.
>
>I just added another ~60 prefixes to the list after another persistent
smurf
>attack.  I've given up trying to trace them myself (although we do report
>it) because the big networks, where this originates, are unwilling to help
>in a timely fashion.
>
>If people bitch about the connectivity  loss, well tough shit.  Better
>to have a working network that can get to 99.5% of the Internet than a
>completely trashed one with full visibility.


Somehow I doubt there is a big demand for access to your network from these
smurf relays. And if there is 1 person who happens to try, I doubt they will
go running to their admins with "I know why we can't connect... Its 'cause
we're a smurf relay". All the responsive clueful networks have protected
themselves already, what we're dealing with now are the people who don't
understand subtle messages like people blocking their connectivity.

>I'm going to have to talk to our lawyers about whether or not we could
*sue*
>the amplifier networks.  Most of them are truly large organizations (ie:
>universities, big corporations, big national providers, etc) and could
easily
>pay such a judgement.

I bet if you just got ONE big judgement there would be a lot more
responsiveness out of some of the big guys... =)