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Re: charitable organization for the shrinkage of the global routing table
- From: Eric Sobocinski
- Date: Fri Jan 26 11:16:22 2001
Surely, even your idealism, after having been in NANOG and networking as
long as you have, hasn't stayed as pure and intact as to offer your
suggestion seriously. Please tell me you're joking.
We all know from prior experience what the worst offenders will do under
your suggestion: They'll avoid those pesky messages not by fixing their
aggregation but by changing their contact records to use dummy email
addresses, or at least by installing email filters that junk anything not
from their registrar. Those who likely would do the right thing upon
receiving your "reminders" are equally likely to already have done the
right thing on CIDR and won't be getting your reminders.
I'm sufficiently confident that this would happen that I won't even bother
with my aging argument about appropriate use of contact info.
Much of the net is now given over to powerless corporate shift-workers who
know better to fight the wrong thing when it comes down from
management. Harassment doesn't work in that environment if it doesn't hit
the bottom line. You would stand a better chance with Sean's "porn for
(Yes, I'm a cynic)
At 09:05 AM +0200, 01/26/2001, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
At 11:42 25/01/01 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
A different idea:
Many of us get these "hacking/spamming reports" generated by end users due
to some portscan or spam. Typical systems sending these out are Lockdown
2000, Spamcop, etc. Many different ones on the market. Very automated,
not always looking up the proper RADB info, but they do get ones attention
Why not some volunteer create a program like this for sysadmins? Every so
often, I would double click it, it would telnet/ssh over to the router of
my choice (I supply the user/pswd), do a 'term len 0', 'sho ip bgp' and
when completed - process the results, select out the worse
non-aggregators, find their info in ARIN/RIPE/APNIC, and fire off some
preformatted emails to the technical and admin contacts at these ISPs.
Or have the program access Tony's latest CIDR walk data at
http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html and do the contact
lookup from that point. Might even be easier.
The slopes of the curves maintained by Geoff, Erik and Tony appear
to be steepening, and while 10**5 routes is a no-brainer to a modern
core router, 10**6 is hard, and nothing known will deal with 10**7.
We all save enormous money by making sure CIDR keeps the curve as
flat as reasonably possible.
It seems that getting people to be good aggregators is pretty tricky,
in part because alot of the offenders don't seem to have the time to
follow the operational forums in which their names come up again and again.
At the last IEPG I suggested we collectively send "slot-occupation" bills
for small numbers of dollars per long prefix to the worst offenders, in
hopes they get the message, or pay each of us for necessary equipment
upgrades, operational costs, R&D, and so forth. Since nobody seems as
crazy as me, it was counter-suggested that I start a charitable
clearing-house, which would send out bills on behalf of "everyone"
to the baddies. Hey, maybe some folks will pay, maybe some will
aggregate (having gotten the message), while others will have to
be handed over to maximally aggressive collections agencies, or
even *gasp* be subjected to filtering by one or more providers.
I have a simple alternative proposal to put pressure on the "bad guys".
Project: set up streaming porn servers that, when a source connects from
-------- an address block announced by an AS in the list of Tony Bates's
top-N bad aggregators, results in a message like this:
Dear Prospective User -
You are connecting from [A.A.A.A], an IP address in a
netblock [P.P.P.P/M] which should be aggregated by your
ISP or one of its upstream providers into a longer prefix.
Please see the CIDR Report Project at http://www.employees.org/~tbates/
for an indication of the growth of the global routing table,
which is an expensive phenomenon exacerbated by your upstream
REWARD REWARD REWARD
If you can convince your upstream provider(s) to aggregate,
renumber, or otherwise withdraw [P.P.P.P/M], we will give you
FREE XXX hours of FREE access to the streaming porn on this site.
Otherwise, please have your credit-card handy. All proceeds
go to the charitable fund for the elimination of long prefixes
and the drainage of the routing table swamp, much of which is
spent on maintaining this excellent source of adult entertainment.
Now then, to kick-start the project, we need some bandwidth (easy enough),
some sort of content distribution network or server farm (also easy),
a studio in a convenient legal jurisdiction (straightforward), lighting,
technical support, that kind of thing (simple opex). Oh, and models.
Oh Vint, are you busy? We need your sexy strip tease. It's for the
good of the Internet, promoting its long-term sustainability and growth.
Other suggestions welcome.