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Re: Statements against new.net?
> > It is stupid and irresponsible to setup a new DNS root. End of story, read > > 2826. > > Such reasoned and well thought out discussion points thrown out on NANOG? > I'm in shock. I try to be consistent :) > > And.. if you let new.net do it then every other capitalist in the world > > will start doing it and then the Internet will become disfunctional, and > > what will that achieve? > > Uhhh, so what if they do? Nobody is forcing you to use new.net, or ORSC > or TINC or whoever, or even setup your own roots with the "pick of the > bunch" from ORSC or TINC or whoever. > > If you don't use the alternative roots, you're not affected by their > existance... so you can just pretend they don't exist and live life in > your 2826 compliant happy world. But of course I am!!! If I dont use them then it creates problems because users on my networks cant reach the new.net sites. If I do use them then other people copy new.net and all of a sudden we get conflicting resolution which as mentioned before means you have no idea what site you are going to hit - what good is that. You dont have to use ARIN/RIPE allocated IPs on your network, you can pick your own (non-RFC1918) addresses just dont advertise them, but again what good is that to users on my network who wont be able to see the sites. Look: "Internet" its single, not plural that would be "Internets" there are certain uniquenesses which must be maintained if you want all users on "The Internet" to receive the same results no matter who's network they are on. I dont think RFC2826 does suggest you "choose" whether to obey or not, I think it says you have to follow the single root if you want to be global, if you want to be local then you dont. Also, WHY??? is everyone on this list so obsessed with freedom, choice.. look around, you are not free, you do not have the choice. You are only free and able to choose within your local environment, once you step outside you must comply otherwise things diverge rapidly. Yes you CAN do what you want, you can CHOOSE to do something different but only if you want to do it for a limited set that is your local network. If you start selling things that are "new global names" I would say thats false for a start, how many ISPs support these new.net addresses? Oh, none so its not very global then. Okay, so theres a plugin, the ISP doesnt have to comply and yuo can get around it.. hmm.. and what about when theres 50 or 1000 plugins and theres conflicts or non-technical people dont realise and start hassling ME because they cant get to new.net's local TLDs?? I dont want that!!! I'm really worried by some responses here, I mean comparing it to usenet jeez!!! Apart from the fact usenet isnt a good analogy its in a right mess! Theres new hierarchies born all the time, junk - tell me otherwise! That is what will happen when new TLDs start becoming more common. NANOG - take off your blinkers, look around, think practical, think real world. This is NOT a good idea!! Steve