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Re: Getting an AS and /18
Andy, I just went through all this myself. I'm not a cable modem provider, so the rules may be slightly different. In the beginning, I had SWIP'd records. However, as most net admins, I had fallen way behind on this. Here's what I did to rectify my problem: a) Created a spreadsheet listing parent CIDR delgations from our upstream. Broke those out into subnets that we delegate to customers, ping scan them periodically, and get a max utilization. Sum your total current space and max usage, get a percentage. So long as the company holds 1 ip over a /19, they are eligible for a /18 AFAIK. b) Apply for an ASN at this point. Tell ARIN you are going to be multihoming, and can provide signed contracts with ISP's proving this. Without multihoming, you don't need an ASN -- your upstream should be more than happy to announce your address space for you later on. c) Take all that spreadsheet data, and throw it into an rwhois server. For a /20 worth of addresses, this took me the better part of 3-4 days of data entry. I would expect it would take one person 12-16 days for a /18 worth of addresses. Need it faster? Throw more people at data entry. d) Get your rwhoisd server up and running. By this time, you should have your ASN number (took us about 1 week). Fill out the IPv4 request template. Send it in. After a day or two, they'll email you back asking you a few things about your policies on how you decide how many IP's a customer gets. I think that they just want to hear the policies that they have on their website (i.e. target 80% utilization within 3 months). 1 week later you should have an allocation. e) Start migrating stuff over. When you make delegations in your new /18, put them in your rwhois server. You'll need it when you go back to ask for more address space in a year, and why go through all this stress more than once. If they give you grief about a /18, ask for a /19 and ask them to "reserve" the other /19 space within a /18. Prove to them that you are effectively utilizing the /19 and they'll probably give/sell you the other half. Someone else here mentioned that the folks at ARIN are truly helpful -- They are. I emailed them a few times asking for clarification on some of the forms, and I had answers within the hour. My $0.02, and I just turned up my ASN and my netblock today! On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 05:50:55PM -0700, Andy Ellifson wrote: > > Bob said it better than myself. I just want help compling with ARIN's > rules and justifications to get some address space for this customer. > When the documentation comes back wanting signed contracts, receipts > for the equipment, SWIP information......... and so on... It seems like > a daunting task. > > I nor the customer have never been through this before. I just wanted > to get input from someone that has gone through it before. I certainly > wouldn't want ARIN handing out a /18 to a business that will never > utilize it. I understand why the rules and justifications are in > place. > > --- Bob K <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > > So re-reading Andy's post, I think people have misread it - he > > doesn't > > appear to be asking for help in circumventing ARIN's procedures, he > > wants > > help in following it, if one notes the actual questions he asks: > > > > > > Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present for the customer > > before > > > > they will issue address space? > > > > > > Does anyone know of a person they can talk to at ARIN to help > > with > > > > this process? > > > > But that's just my take on it. > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Daniel Golding wrote: > > > > > > > > I suspect this is a troll. However, I'll take the bait... > > > > > > Why should this organization get any sort of special treatment? > > Because they > > > have been too slack to properly SWIP their blocks? Because they > > don't feel > > > like submitting the proper documentation? > > > > > > You posit that the customer genuinely needs the address space. How > > do we, as > > > an Internet community discover that? The only way is documentation. > > > > > > I find it rather hard to believe that an organization without an > > AS, > > > qualifies for a /18, based on the published criteria - they did > > take the > > > time to read those, right? > > > > > > Andy, you request help to circumvent a process that is far from > > perfect, yet > > > is our best hedge against the unscrupulous. I suppose the best > > advise for > > > them is to hire a consultant who is fully conversant in the > > procedures for > > > obtaining address spaces and an AS number. That's their best bet. > > > > > > - Daniel Golding > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On > > Behalf Of > > > > Andy Ellifson > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:50 PM > > > > To: email@example.com > > > > Subject: Getting an AS and /18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a customer that is a cable modem provider. They submitted > > the > > > > form to request an AS and some address space. The response from > > ARIN > > > > wanted a ton of documentation. I understand why ARIN requires > > all of > > > > the documentation. Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present > > for the > > > > customer before they will issue address space? This customer > > genuinely > > > > needs the address space but doesn't have the time to gather up > > all the > > > > information that is 'required'. Does anyone know of a person > > they can > > > > talk to at ARIN to help with this process? > > > > > > > > -Andy Ellifson > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob <firstname.lastname@example.org> | Stop dwelling and start living. > > > > > ===== > Andy Ellifson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -- Marius Strom <email@example.com> Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator URL: http://www.marius.org/ http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0xF5D89089 *updated 2001-02-26* It is a natural law. Physics tells us that for every action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction. 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