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RE: DDoS attacks

  • From: Roeland Meyer
  • Date: Wed Jul 11 23:19:39 2001

I happen to agree, if only because; when script kiddies don't have IRC to
play with they'll start looking elsewhere. I'd rather them have an IRC net
to play with while they're being hunted. Wouldn't you? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Francis [mailto:darkuncle@darkuncle.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:24 PM
> To: Richard A. Steenbergen
> Cc: Ariel Biener; nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: DDoS attacks
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:40:45PM -0400, Richard A. 
> Steenbergen exclaimed:
> > Hrm you may have an idea there. Since so many attacks are related to
> > EFNet, and there are so many possible reasons for it to be 
> impacting the
> > rest of the internet, I propose we introduce a new ICMP 
> type, ICMP EFNet.
> > This message type could be used to convey all kinds of important
> > information about why things are broken, for example:
> > 
> > ICMP EFNet code 1 - Smurfing
> > ICMP EFNet code 2 - SYN Flooding
> > ICMP EFNet code 3 - Channel takeover
> > ICMP EFNet code 4 - Warring botnets
> > ICMP EFNet code 5 - Dianora
> > 
> > and many other useful messages.
> 
> regardless of one's opinion on the usefulness/validity/point 
> of IRC, I think
> some respect is due EFnet simply considering the antiquity of 
> the network, and
> the sheer volume of communication, good bad and indifferent, 
> that has flowed
> over it since its inception. I'm sure I'll be flamed for my 
> (mis)use of
> 'antiquity', but I think IRC has been, and continues to be, a valuable
> communication tool. Like any useful tool, it tends to be used for both
> beneficial and nefarious purposes.
> 
> And let's not forget that any network attack, regardless of 
> the target or
> purpose, is a Bad Thing and responsible netizens should do 
> their part to help
> eliminate such abuses.
> 
> I'm done preaching now; I'm sure those who agree with me 
> didn't need a rehash,
> and those that don't are unlikely to change their minds. Just 
> wanted to
> provide a counterpoint to the "since $service has no business 
> function and
> doesn't increase profits, there's no point in supporting it" crowd.
> 
> (not that RAS is necessarily in that crowd; he just happened 
> to be the first
> to respond.)
> 
> Sometimes things are worth doing, even if doing them causes 
> you some grief. I'm
> sure cynicism will eventually overwhelm me and I will realize 
> that there's no
> point in sticking one's neck/network out to provide a useful 
> service to the
> community.
> 
> okay, I'm ready for the flames now.
> 
> > -- 
> > Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net>       
http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras
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