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Re: Digex and Akamai are raping the ARIN whois database

  • From: Steven J. Sobol
  • Date: Tue Sep 04 19:53:37 2001

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Avi Freedman wrote:

> Very sorry this happened.  Marketing purchased a 'trial version' of
> a list that apparently had ARIN-gleanings.  Use of that list has been
> suspended with all partners, and we are working on ways to make sure that 
> we can 'pattern match' any such similar crud from future lists.  This is
> the first of the lists that has been a problem (though we have in the
> past had one or two salespeople who were quickly unconfused on individual
> solicitations), and we intend to make sure it won't happen again.

> If anyone has any heuristics for ensuring that lists don't have automated
> new-domain or SWIP gleanings, I'd appreciate them; for now we'll just 
> search for hostmaster@, ipspace@, and other role-looking accounts.

We should probably take this off-list but I want to make one important
point.

By definition, you can't buy an opt-in list. If you buy it, and use it,
you're spamming.

You've always seemed to me to be an intelligent fellow, and you should be
able to figure out why my assertion is, in fact, true. If you're not sure,
I'll be happy to impart additional clue in your direction but it will be
offlist, since this is NANOG and not SPAM-L.

And if you need any tools with which to pass on said clue to Marketing,
feel free to accept my offer of help (but again, I think you're a pretty
smart guy and you should be able to thwack Marketing a couple times with
the cluebat on your own).

Hope this helps; have a great day, and good luck educating The Droids.

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