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Re: Digex and Akamai are raping the ARIN whois database

  • From: Steven J. Sobol
  • Date: Tue Sep 04 23:53:24 2001

One more post to this thread

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Bob K wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> 
> > Bull. If I as an individual give permission for an organization I have
> > some sort of relationship with to have mail sent to me by third parties,
> > that's my perogative. What you are in fact saying is that I'm not allowed
> > to give that permission.
> > 
> > The problem is that the sleaze factor that permeates the space.
> 
> That's not the only problem.  People sign other people up for those lists
> as a revenge tactic; consequently, those lists are worse than worthless if
> they don't include the IP & timestamp of when that person signed up (and
> are still hazardous to use even with that info).  One is far, far better
> off collecting addresses through clear, legitimate opt-in methods...
 
Yes. That was, more or less, the point I was making, though I did a very
BAD job of making it.

More to the point - plenty of marketers have twisted the meaning of
OPT-IN. Wide misuse of that phrase led me to say what I said, but I didn't
take into account the fact many people subsequently reminded me of: it
*is* common to have a merchant ask if it's ok to give your contact info to
other companies. So, I misspoke. All of the people who took me to task
were correct. I'll have to be a little more careful of what I say in the
future.
 

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