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Re: RE: OT: Interesting email I received

  • From: Pat Myrto
  • Date: Fri Feb 01 17:57:20 2002

I can still reach it from here in the NorthWest as of 2:45 PST.

So the plug aint pulled yet.  Qwest would likely have to make
sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before dropping it
at insistance of lawyers, etc...

Be interesting to see if its still there tomorrow.

Pat M/HW

John Neiberger has declared that:
> 
> 
> Hmm...I'm still able to reach that site as of 3:30 Mountain 
> time.  Perhaps his service hasn't been discontinued after all.  
> We can only hope, though.  Surely Qwest won't continue to let 
> this bonehead use their network.
> 
> Perhaps this is actually a Qwest front company and they're 
> trying to lure people into using their bulkmailing services.  
> By doing this they can get a lot of the bulk mails to at least 
> have the same set of source IP addresses making them easier to 
> filter for the rest of us.  :-)  Sort of like a honey pot for 
> idiots, because in this case they'd even be paying to use it.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Get your own "800" number
> Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more
> http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag
> 
> 
> ---- On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Blanchard (jblanchard@wyse.com) 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I just had to call that number on his web page
> > and ask if it was some sort of joke, The guy 
> > there "Paul" didn't have any idea that his
> > services were disrupted, and he even seemed 
> > excited at the prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam 
> > Email for me. 
> > 
> > When I mentioned I couldn't get to his webpage
> > He seemed surprised. I ended the convo with 
> > "You should really read the TOS with your ISP" <click>
> > 
> > hahaha. I would love to hear the conversation between him
> > and Qwest Tech/Support. 
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > -Joe
> > 
> > > ----------
> > > From: 	Daniel Lark[SMTP:dlark@elmresources.com]
> > > Reply To: 	dlark@elmresources.com
> > > Sent: 	Friday, February 01, 2002 2:04 PM
> > > To: 	'Christopher A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'
> > > Cc: 	nanog@merit.edu
> > > Subject: 	RE: OT: Interesting email I received
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Guess Qwest already yanked 'em. Yay!!!
> > > 
> > > -dan
> > > 
> > > traceroute to 65.114.61.35 (65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 
> byte
> > packets
> > >  1  host1.elmresources.com (208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 
> ms  0.474
> > ms
> > >  2  958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  
> 10.282 ms 
> > 9.652
> > > ms  13.142 ms
> > >  3  168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 
> ms  10.168
> > ms
> > > 9.997 ms
> > >  4  0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  
> 10.341 ms
> > > 9.870 ms
> > >  5  0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 
> ms  16.494
> > ms
> > > 15.253 ms
> > >  6  0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  
> 15.195 ms
> > > 14.934 ms
> > >  7  184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 
> ms  14.990
> > ms
> > > 15.905 ms
> > >  8  sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  
> 27.808 ms
> > > 27.985 ms
> > >  9  sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  
> 28.163 ms
> > > 27.818 ms
> > > 10  sjo-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  
> 27.821 ms
> > > 28.014 ms
> > > 11  iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  
> 68.128 ms
> > > 68.277 ms
> > > 12  iah-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  
> 69.238 ms
> > > 69.663 ms
> > > 13  atl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  
> 103.496 ms
> > > 101.837 ms
> > > 14  atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  
> 93.772 ms
> > > 93.874 ms
> > > 15  * * *
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] 
> On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Christopher A. Woodfield
> > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:56 PM
> > > To: Dan Hollis
> > > Cc: Daniel Lark; nanog@merit.edu
> > > Subject: Re: OT: Interesting email I received
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Given the latency on the last two hops, I'll bet this is a 
> DSL line,
> > or
> > > someone's 
> > > taken it upon themselves to render whatever circuit they 
> have
> > useless...
> > > 
> > > -C
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:43:10PM -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Daniel Lark wrote:
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: National ISP [mailto:admin@national-isp.org] 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > To: dlark@elmresources.com
> > > > > Subject: Bulk email ISP
> > > > > National ISP Co. is a business class bulk email 
> friendly ISP.
> > > > > We are dedicated to supporting your company with your
> > > > > email advertising program.
> > > > > Have the "Peace of Mind",  knowing that you will not be
> > > > > shut down by your present ISP.
> > > > > our website address is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG
> > > > 
> > > > Tracing the route to NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)
> > > > [...]
> > > >  15 atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 
> 132 msec
> > 100
> > > msec 144 msec
> > > >  16 208.47.124.58 [AS 209] 388 msec 852 msec 608 msec
> > > >  17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 
> msec 268
> > > msec
> > > > 
> > > > Well, qwest *is* bulk-friendly...
> > > > 
> > > > -Dan
> > > > -- 
> > > > [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Christopher A. Woodfield		rekoil@semihuman.com
> > > 
> > > PGP Public Key:
> > > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
> > <HTML>
> > <HEAD>
> > <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
> > charset=3DUS-ASCII">
> > <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server 
> version =
> > 5.5.2653.12">
> > <TITLE>RE: OT: Interesting email I received</TITLE>
> > </HEAD>
> > <BODY>
> > <BR>
> > 
> > <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I just had 
> to call =
> > that number on his web page</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and ask 
> if it was =
> > some sort of joke, The guy </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">there =
> > "Paul" didn't have any idea that his</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">services 
> were =
> > disrupted, and he even seemed </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">excited 
> at the =
> > prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Email for 
> me. =
> > </FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">When I 
> mentioned I =
> > couldn't get to his webpage</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">He seemed 
> =
> > surprised. I ended the convo with </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">"You 
> should =
> > really read the TOS with your ISP" <click></FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">hahaha. I 
> would love
> > =
> > to hear the conversation between him</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and Qwest 
> =
> > Tech/Support. </FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers!
> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-
> Joe</FONT>
> > </P>
> > <UL>
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">----------</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
> Serif">From:</FONT></B>   =
> > <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Daniel =
> > Lark[SMTP:dlark@elmresources.com]</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Reply 
> To:</FONT></B> =
> >       <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> > Serif">dlark@elmresources.com</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
> Serif">Sent:</FONT></B>   =
> > <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Friday, February 01, 
> 2002 2:04 =
> > PM</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">To:</FONT></B> =
> >     <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">'Christopher =
> > A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Cc:</FONT></B> =
> >     <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> > Serif">nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
> > <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
> Serif">Subject:</FONT></B> =
> >        <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> > Serif">RE: OT: Interesting email I received</FONT>
> > </P>
> > <BR>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Guess Qwest already 
> yanked 'em. =
> > Yay!!!</FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-dan</FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">traceroute to 65.114.61.35 =
> > (65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 1  host1.elmresources.com =
> > (208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 ms  0.474 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 2  =
> > 958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  10.282 =
> > ms  9.652</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ms  13.142 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 3  =
> > 168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 ms  =
> > 10.168 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.997 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 4  =
> > 0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  =
> > 10.341 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.870 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 5  =
> > 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 ms  =
> > 16.494 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.253 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 6  =
> > 0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  =
> > 15.195 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14.934 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 7  =
> > 184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 ms  =
> > 14.990 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.905 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 8  =
> > sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  27.808 =
> > ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.985 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 9  =
> > sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  =
> > 28.163 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.818 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">10  sjo-core-
> 02.inet.qwest.net =
> > (205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  27.821 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">28.014 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">11  iah-core-
> 01.inet.qwest.net =
> > (205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  68.128 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">68.277 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">12  iah-core-
> 02.inet.qwest.net =
> > (205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  69.238 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">69.663 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">13  atl-core-
> 02.inet.qwest.net =
> > (205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  103.496 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">101.837 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14  atl-edge-
> 14.inet.qwest.net =
> > (205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  93.772 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">93.874 ms</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15  * * *</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----
> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu 
> =
> > [</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 
> =
> > HREF=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu";>mailto:owner-
> nanog@merit.edu</A></=
> > FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] On Behalf Of</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. 
> Woodfield</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Friday, February 01, 
> 2002 2:56 =
> > PM</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: Dan Hollis</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cc: Daniel Lark; =
> > nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: Re: OT: 
> Interesting email I =
> > received</FONT>
> > </P>
> > <BR>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Given the latency on the 
> last two =
> > hops, I'll bet this is a DSL line, or</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">someone's </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">taken it upon themselves to 
> render =
> > whatever circuit they have useless...</FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-C</FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 
> 12:43:10PM =
> > -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, 
> Daniel Lark =
> > wrote:</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > -----Original =
> > Message-----</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > From: National ISP =
> > [</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 
> =
> > HREF=3D"mailto:admin@national-isp.org";>mailto:admin@national-
> isp.org</A>=
> > </FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Sent: Friday, February 
> 01, =
> > 2002 3:13 PM</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > To: =
> > dlark@elmresources.com</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Subject: Bulk email =
> > ISP</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > National ISP Co. is a =
> > business class bulk email friendly ISP.</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > We are dedicated to =
> > supporting your company with your</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > email advertising =
> > program.</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Have the "Peace of =
> > Mind",  knowing that you will not be</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > shut down by your 
> present =
> > ISP.</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > our website address =
> > is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Tracing the route to =
> > NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [...]</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  15 =
> > atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 132 msec
> > 100</FONT>=
> > 
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec 144 msec</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  16 208.47.124.58 [AS 
> 209] =
> > 388 msec 852 msec 608 msec</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG =
> > (65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 msec 268</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Well, qwest *is* =
> > bulk-friendly...</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -Dan</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -- </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [-] Omae no subete no 
> kichi wa =
> > ore no mono da. [-]</FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">---------------------------
> </FONT>
> > <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. =
> > Woodfield        =
> >         rekoil@semihuman.com</FONT>
> > </P>
> > 
> > <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PGP Public Key:</FONT>
> > <BR><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
> > HREF=3D"http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?
> op=3Dget&search=3D0xB887618B=
> > " =
> > TARGET=3D"_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?
> op=3Dget&search=3D=
> > 0xB887618B</A></FONT></U>
> > </P>
> > <BR>
> > </UL>
> > </BODY>
> > </HTML>
> > 
> > 
> 


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