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RE: 69/8...this sucks -- Centralizing filtering..
I continue to agree that moving critical resources (see below) to these new blocks is the best approach I have seen or heard in the months since I made the original post. This approach punishes the clueless instead of the people that already know what the problem is (and have to live with it every day). I can't begin to calculate the amount of support time we have burned contacting the offending networks. I know the cost has been prohibitive at best. I have seen this suggestion once before (maybe even by Jon) and I still think it is the best way things will get resolved quickly. Maybe we should suggest that ARIN also host some of their stuff on this block :-) Todd IPOutlet LLC -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:52 PM To: E.B. Dreger Cc: email@example.com Subject: RE: 69/8...this sucks -- Centralizing filtering.. On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: > Now, how can we force that? Sufficient reward for doing so, or > pain for failure. Evidently "some people can't reach you" isn't > enough pain, and having full reachability isn't enough reward. I think the only way that's relatively guaranteed to be effective is to move a critical resource (like the gtld-servers) into new IP blocks when previously reserved blocks are assigned to RIR's. I still have a couple hundred thousand IPs to check (I'm going to step up the pace and see if I can get through the list today), but I already have a list of several hundred IPs in networks that ignore 69/8. The list includes such networks as NASA, the US DoD, and networks in China, Russia, and Poland. Those are just a few that I've done manual whois's for. I haven't decided yet whether I'll send automated messages to all the broken networks and give them time to respond and fix their filters, or just post them all to NANOG when the list is complete. Are people interested in seeing the full list (at least the ones I find) of networks that filter 69/8? Does Atlantic.Net get an ARIN discount for doing all this leg work? :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *firstname.lastname@example.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________