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Re: Can a customer take IP's with them?
Alex, I think one avenue of approach will be to see if ARIN would grant you another contiguous block to replace not just what the customer got but the entire block they have polluted. If they will not, as I suspect, then you can show that the TRO while upholding the status quo is causing you harm, since the space is not something that can be replaced. -vb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rubenstein" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Florian Weimer" <email@example.com> Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:47 AM Subject: Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? > > > > > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > * Alex Rubenstein: > > > > > b) customer is exercising the right not to renew the business agreement, > > > and is leaving NAC voluntarily. > > > > The customer probably has a different opinion on this particular > > topic, doesn't he? > > No. This is a clear situation where the customer has canceled his service > with us in writing. > > > > If there's a contract dispute, it actually makes a lot of sense to > > issue the order you quoted. There's no harm to you (or the Internet > > as a whole) because the customer just appears to be another > > multi-homed customer of yours, provided that the prefix that is > > involved reaches a certain size. OTOH, if you were allowed to > > reassign the IP address space while the dispute is being resolved, > > this could severely harm the customer's business. > > > > Of course, this setup can be just temporary. If you are ordered to > > permanently give up that particular prefix, then you'll have reason to > > complain. > > I can't address all of the points you raise, but I can say the following: > > a) NAC did not terminate the customers service in any respect. The > customer chose, on his own, to terminate their service with us. This fact > is undisputed. Also, NAC was willing to continue the customers service (we > were not forcing them out the door). > > b) In regards to your passage, "because the customer just appears to be > another multi-homed customer of yours", this is a key point. The customer > *WILL NOT* be a customer of NAC any longer once they physically leave. The > key point here is that the customer has gotten a TRO, which allows them to > take the IP address space that is allocated to NAC with them, and NOT HAVE > ANY SERVICE FROM NAC. NAC WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE NETWORKS THAT THEY ARE > MULTIHOMED TO. > > c) In regards to the tail-end of your mail, what you propose (the > temporary reassignment of space to an ex-customer) is in (as I intepret > ARIN policy) direct contradiction and violation of ARIN policy. If this > policy were to stand, what prevents cable modem users, or dialup users, or > webhosting customers, the right to ask to take their /32 with them? > > Regards, > >