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Re: BGP list of phishing sites?
On 29-jun-04, at 5:46, Paul Vixie wrote:
But if software is
So you think it's futile to try to get software vendors to improve their products. I suppose I can go along with that to a certain degree. But how can you expect end-users to work around the brokenness in the software they use? This seems both unfair and futile.we're just not communicating here. prescriptive statements ("can be improved?") are inappropriate unless somebody's asking for your advice. in this case i think it's safe to say that software vendors don't care what we think about this topic and they have their own plans.
Einstein taught as that even the simple act of observation influences our surroundings. Wouldn't it make sense to try to leverage this influence such that the future is shaped more to our liking, however small the change may be?what matters isn't what folks ought to do, but what they will do and are doing, or won't do, etc.
I disagree. Even bad stuff that's limited in time and space is bad, and should be avoided if possible.in the medium and long term, no arbitrary blacklist will have global or lasting effect. you don't need to take this effect into consideration, it's a marginal corner case at best, and a distraction.
I think the one true way is to be found somewhere between the extremes
ah. you're pining for what are now thought of as "the good old days", eh?For those who suffer from a bad case of nostalgia I recommend IPv6. It's the closest thing to traveling back in time and watch the net as it was ten years ago.
However, that's not the place where I'm coming from. It's simply that each absolute is worse than the middle of the scale. Same thing with copyright violations. If we were 100% unable to do anything that the copyright holder doesn't want us to do, we'd be spending much more money on much less content. But if people were able to copy to their heart's content with impunity, artists wouldn't be able to make a living and there wouldn't be any content. So the current situation is indeed the good old days, even though few people seem to realize it. Unfortunately this isn't entirely the case with abuse handling as there are both people who are to lax and those who are too strict.
But the real issue is that this is even necessary. The biggest problem we have with IP is that it doesn't provide for a way for a receiver to avoid having to receiving unwanted packets. It would be extremely useful if we could fix that.
you realize that the virtual circuit X.25/TP4 people are laughing their asses off as they read those words, don't you?
It's easy to laugh if you don't have a world wide network to run.