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Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
At 17:01 +0000 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
In the spirit of cart and horse, it's not about getting more operators involved in ARIN. It's about getting operators to use ARIN as a resource in the proper way. (I'm addressing operators here as this is NANOG.)I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not getting the right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we get more operators involved and active in the RIRs?
What do operators expect from ARIN? Most ARIN policies are centered on the administrative function of allocation of address space and AS numbers. Is that all there is? Are the existing policies all that are needed?
Are there concerns about the live-in-the-network registry services like WhoIs, DNS, IRIS, routing registry? There are not many policy proposals (lame delegations, privacy concerns with WhoIs) in play covering operational considerations.
ARIN staff has begun work on documenting the registry service level agreements, there was a presentation on this in October. There has been little discussion on this by anyone since the presentation. If WhoIs is out, reports fly on NANOG. But has anyone ever tried to quantify what level of service is expected of ARIN's computing facilities? If the staff is doing a good thing by documenting SLA's, then they should be encouraged to continue.
There is routing security research work that would require the RIR's to issue certificates for use in route update validation. I would hope that someday, before anything goes live, there are operator-led tests involving support from ARIN.
I would caution that "attending meetings" is neither a sign of contribution nor a sign of progress. Don't get me wrong, making meetings easier to attend is good, but we shouldn't attend meetings because it is easy, fun or entertaining. I prefer to have fun at home.I think colocating 1 ARIN meeting/per year with Nanog in the fall has been a help.
ARIN isn't perfect but it could be a lot worse. In some ways I think the issue you describe is an industry wide problem. There are many different groups (RIRs, ICANN, IETF, Nanogs, etc...) and participating in all of them is a lot of effort, especially when most of us already have full-time jobs.
Participating in all of them *is* a full-time job. ;)
One the one hand, what built the Internet isn't what will maintain it. A bureaucracy will be needed, the challenge isn't to prevent it but to build the best one possible.We could of course create a huge beuarcratcy with lots of people to study the issues and make policy, but that hasn't been the way the Internet has developed and is counter to what many operators think is best for the Internet. That also requires money. Is that what people want? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
If ARIN goes unchecked it'll either be a weakened organization unable to serve the community (chaos ensues) or it will become an ogre, burdening the community (suffocation). It benefits operators to be involved, but the real trick is to realize what kind of involvement is needed.
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