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Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks
On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:28 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
Valdis.Kletnieks@xxxxxx wrote:* PGP Signed by an unverified key: 04/11/07 at 11:21:15
And I would suggest that Valdis is one of them....
From my reading of his message I understood that: A: Some people filter bad stuff. B: Some people don't.
I don't think that it is unreasonable that he used "we " to include all network engineers -- "we" as a community does include A and B
It is the
So, I have always wondered -- how do you customers really react when they can no longer reach www.example.com, a site hosted a few IPs away from www.badevilphisher.net? And do you really think that you blocking them is going to make example.com contact their provider to get things fixed?
Have you considered that being a little politer and not insulting everyone on the list might be a more constructive way of getting your point across -- if I were to call you a "big, fat, doodoo head" you would probably be less receptive than if I didn't...
Yes, it is great that you are doing your bit to help keep the net clean. Congratulations and thank you. Perhaps you could write a nice, simple, friendly guide explaining how you ensure that your network is never the source of malicious traffic? And how this can be scaled up to work in a large, backbone network where? Perhaps you could politely contact those who are not doing their bit and, in a helpful manner explain how they could improve -- educating and encouraging change in those who are not doing their bit is much more likely to make things better than screaming "You suck, I'm not going to accept your packets, nah nah nah."
I'd like to here something logical, not someone's opinion. Something like "According to ARIN/IEEE specifications of foobarfoo, operators are not allowed to view traffic entering or leaving their networks" which hinders this. There is no reason I could think of, no scenario I could imagine, that would prohibit network operators from putting the nail in the coffin with stuff LEAVING THEIR NETS.
I suspect that I should have just stayed out of this thread....
"Go on, prove me wrong. Destroy the fabric of the universe. See if I care." -- Terry Prachett