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Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox
Quoting Joe Greco <jgreco@xxxxxxxxxx>:
I'd have to say that at this point it is VERY obvious that you have never administered a large (100k users+) network. The procedures and paths of action you wish the largers ISPs to take are just not practical.
From your web site:
"Please Note: Be very certain that your alleged abuse incident actually originated here before submitting a complaint. Do not sumbit a complaint without full headers, logs, and timestamps. We are not a commercial ISP and it is highly unlikely that your abuse incident actually originated here."
Spelling mistakes and "under construction" pages from 2002 aside, it shows that you look to be familiar with dealing with smaller scale operations. The reality of the matter is that large ISPs can do:
1) Nothing (which makes matters worse in the long run)
2) A disruptive fix (will get some false matches, a handful of IRCers vs 100k+ users is acceptable).
3) Kill accounts.
Now lets look at a quick real world result of each of the three above.
1) Your network eventually caves into the ground. You end up being a host for many spam networks and other nasties. Everyone on the internet hates you.
2) A handful of people complain, cry, whimper, and leave. The number of users in this boat won't really have much of an effect on operations or business. Acceptable losses vs doing option 1.
3) You get a reputation of killing 'innocent' peoples accounts due to unknown infections of crud. Business declines, and you end up working for an ISP that would implement option 2.
In reality, the "purist" ideals of Internet access just does not work.
-- Steven Haigh
Email: netwiz@xxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.crc.id.au Phone: (03) 9017 0597 - 0404 087 474