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Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
By then, the policy process will take too long to be meaningful.
Yes, but, I think it is unlikely, at least in ARIN's case that the BoT will consider runout an emergency.The RIR bureaucracy is a ponderous ship that turns very slowly and has multiple captains who do not necessarily agree on the direction to turn. IPv4 allocation policy revisions aren't going to save us.
Its not about saving, its about prolonging the end and how long that migh be expected to last.Prolonging the end in terms of tightening requirements is just a question of deciding who to fail
to serve. Do you fail to serve those who came first, or, do you punish those who come first and
serve only those who meet some other arbitrary criteria? What arbitrary criteria would you
suggest be used to decide who should not receive service?
This would create significant legal challenges and costs. Likely, the legacy holders would prevailFurthermore, I expect more credence will be lent to the reclaiming efforts, and pre-RIR swamp space has lots of candidates.What incentive to a holder of early allocations is there to return address space voluntarily?
in many cases, and, you just might find that becomes the excuse that congress needs to hand over
management of the IP space to the ITU. I don't see that as a good scenario at all. By the time the
legal challenges were resolved, the ISPs receiving such allocations would be long-since out of
business due to the inability to provide reliable service to their customers.
And in the absence of any other method of obtaining ipv4, I would expect RIR mebership to push for aggressive reclamation, with policy change to make it worthwhile.The RIR membership doesn't necessarily have standing to do much about legacy holders other
than what the legacy holders themselves choose to agree to. You are assuming that the RIR
has power that is, as yet, untested, unproven, and, unlikely.
Different entities and a belief that IPv6 is the correct solution on the part of those in a positionClass-E,Efforts to redefine class E have stalled because there is simply no way it can be used for anything other than private space.
to do so. Class E would actually not buy very much time, either.
True. So, this will probably create the mandate for W98 to go away. I don't see this as a bad thing.
As it stands now, anyone who wants can try and use class-e IPv4. However, I don't expect any RIR
to be handing it out with guaranteed uniqueness any time soon.
I haven't seen you propose a policy change that would affect this. While you're too late for the Denver meeting,rfc3330 and similar reclamation might occur as well.IANA recently reclaimed 14/8. I think that added 3 _weeks_ to the expected runout date. That was likely the last "easily" reclaimable block.
you are welcome to submit a policy to ARIN if you think policy can resolve this.
Yep... All of these will probably occur.Yep. And the question is: as an ISP or other address consuming organization, what will you do when the cost of obtaining IPv4 addresses skyrockets?The question is how ARIN will deal with the market after the IPv4 free pool exhausts.
True. The question is not whether things will change, but, how they will change. This is a much harderSo far, as far as I can tell, the answer to that question (in most cases) has been putting hands over ears and saying "La la la" loudly. See <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/020608-ipv4-address-depletion.html >.
question. For now, all that we know is that few people are paying attention to the problem, and, that the
problem will get progressively harder to solve the longer that behavior persists.