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RE: amazonaws.com?

  • From: Tony Finch
  • Date: Wed May 28 07:00:02 2008

On Tue, 27 May 2008, michael.dillon@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> But a more advanced intelligence will wonder why we have to have an SMTP
> server architecture that invites attacks. Why, by definition, do SMTP
> servers have to accept connections from all comers, by default? We have
> shown that other architectures are workable on the Internet, where
> communications only take place between peers who have prearranged which
> devices talk to which. This worked for USENET news and it works for
> exchanging BGP route announcements.

Of course there's no unwanted traffic on USENET or BGP. Everyone de-peers
Tiscali when their customers' compromised home computers perform DDOS
attacks.

> As long as we don't fix the architecture of Internet email, we
> are stuck with the catch-22 situation that Amazon, and all hosting
> providers find themsleves in. These companies really have no choice
> but to allow spammers to exploit their services until the spamming
> is detected, either proactively by the provider, or reactively by
> a complaint to their abuse desk.

Nothing prevents Amazon from implementing a hierarchial email delivery
network for their little corner of the net. They just have to block
outgoing port 25 and require their users to use Amazon's smarthosts.

I don't see how, in your preferred replacement email architecture, a
provider would be able to avoid policing their users to prevent spam
in the way that you complain is so burdensome.

Tony.
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