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Re: Coop Peering Fabric??
As a big ra-ra guy around peering, I thought this might be interesting, but I do not think I agree with the numbers.
On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Deepak Jain wrote:
Given Cogent (and others) recent pursuit of sub $4/mb/s transit... and the relatively flat cost of a "paid" peering fabric (even at 10G) and the O(N) costs for cross-connects, the thought of revisiting the old peering coops presented itself again.
The $4/Mbps & under prices is usually reserved for very large CIR or full pipe. With a full pipe, assuming you are very, very, very good, you still pay $5 or more. (I'm assuming a max of 8 Gbps on a 10G pipe, which seems overly optimistic IMHO.) But that's not important to the discussion.
Assuming 10G PNI model: Assuming even nominal cross-connect fees of $100-$300/month per fiber pair, plus router port costs for each private peer (assuming you aren't at >10% utilization on the port) at a commercial exchange, you are eating a pretty significant cost per megabit you are actually moving. (plug in your numbers here). Assumption: Above 1Gb/s utilization, this makes sense or you are counting on growth.
Taking 1 Gbps (10%), and assuming even 20K per 10G port over 2 years, adding in $300/month for the x-conn, you are still looking at barely over $1/Mbps. If you have more than 10% utilization, that number goes down. Is that significant? Compared to what? Transit?
I would say a 75% price reduction is pretty significant. Plus you haven't considered CapEx cost for the transit ports.
Below 10% you would normally go to a paid peering fabric where you are paying cross connect + a flat port charge + router port for 1->N peers and hoping that enough utilization occurs that you get >10% utilization (to recover capex, opex, etc) and then whatever additional utilization you need to cover the flat port charge or you are counting on growth.
Here we agree. The port fee even on european IXes is measured in 1000s of $$ per month. And don't get me started on US or Japanese ports....
A "coop", best-effort switch fabric colo'd at a few sites would allow participants to peer off traffic at a price of the order of a single cross-connect (~$500/month per 10G port is possible, maybe less), private-VLANs all-around, or to only-mutually approved peers (e.g. via an automated web interface, prior art) to avoid many of the /old/ issues. No requirement for multi-lateral peering. You could peer, sell transit, buy transit, multicast, etc.
Sorry, I can't get there.
First, the "largest single talkers" would not be on a shared fabric, they'd be on dedicated ports, so this idea doesn't help.
For the medium to small guys, I think it's a great idea. Look at SIX, TorIX, PaNAP, etc. But shaving an _order of magnitude_ off? No, I don't see it. CapEx alone is more than 10% of your cost. (Well, unless you get Japanese IX ports or the most expensive US IX ports.)
Perhaps I'm lost or confused? Can someone help me understand?
-- TTFN, patrick