NANOG40: Survey Results

NANOG40 Survey

NANOG40 Survey Results		Bellevue, Washington (June 3-6, 2007)
How did you attend NANOG?
in person in Bellevue	0.964 (134)
via Web - Real Media	0.0072 (1)
via Web - MPEG2 Multicast	0.0 (0)
via Web - DVTS Multicast	0.0 (0)
via Web - Windows Media	0.0288 (4)
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Overall, was this NANOG useful to you?
Very Useful	0.3309 (46)
Useful	0.6115 (85)
No Opinion	0.0144 (2)
Not Very Useful	0.036 (5)
Useless	0.0072 (1)
Answered question	139
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Is this your first time attending NANOG?
YES	0.2806 (39)
NO	0.7194 (100)
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If you have attended a previous NANOG, how does this NANOG compare?
Better	0.237 (32)
About the Same	0.3926 (53)
Worse	0.0963 (13)
N/A	0.2741 (37)
Answered question	135
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Did you find the General Session seating arrangements satisfactory?
YES	0.9338 (127)
NO	0.0662 (9)
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Did you find the public BoF room of value?
YES	0.7823 (97)
NO	0.2177 (27)
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Did you find the General Session and Tutorial/BoF schedule acceptable?
YES	0.875 (119)
NO	0.0662 (9)
NO OPINION	0.0588 (8)
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Did you utilize the public laptops and printer near registration?
YES	0.1884 (26)
NO	0.8116 (112)
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Comments on the Newcomers Orientation:
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Good. but it concentrated too much on the meeting interworkings of NANOG at the expense of providing some hightlights on why or how topics are shown, what are the "hot topics" for NANOG as selected by the community, etc. as a first timer, I was impressed at the level and type of information presented to the new attendees. The attendance by repeat members of all types, not just a token few was very important and helpful at releivng the stress of not knowing wha tthe entire conference was about, it's format,.. the best advice was given in this session.. I can offer no suggestions on how to perfect it, it was great. Thanks to Bill, Ren, Randy and Especially MERIT for making it a great experience. Nice job adding politics into the orientation. Went a little deep into stuff better suited to the community meeting I liked the Orientation except for the very obvious infighting which was NOT necessary. That was VERY sad and frustrating. Wow guys, keep the focus on NEWCOMERS. It's not a time to air organizational dirty laundry. Also, if you're trying to welcome newcomers, maybe actually walking up to them and welcoming them would be a good idea. Many newcomers were standing around outside afterwards looking at each other, and none of the Nanog Cognizenti were paying them much attention. Good discussion, other than the digression to material that should have been shifted to the Community meeting. I attended this with one of our companies first time attendees and thought that it was useful. N/A didn't go Did not go. did not attend didn't attend Didn't attend Despite previous thinking, I believe it should run into [maybe wwith 10 min bio break] the community meeting. Did not attend did not attend Not a newcomer. Didn't attend. n/a Did not attend, sorry. perhaps a little too much on the PC / SC side of things as far as the discussion went. Useful for orientation Over ran and became a Community Session by accident - Bill shouldn't have done this. bill's talk veered into issues that bleonged in the community meeting. N/A NA Did not attend Not of any value. I should have just gotten in on Monday instead of sunday. na N/A Did not attend. N/A Interesting and interactive Boring format- needs some type of interactive activity. Inappropriate reference made to problems between PC and SC - should have been left for the community forum. Social after the session was not very effective - should have been member of PC, SC, and others to interact with newcomers. I noticed many newcomers standing around alone. Great N/A Too Political N/A Didn't attend Nice thanks to Ren Proro:) Nice Intro. Thought that the tension between Merit and committe (advisory/steering) was not really needed N/A N/A N/A Good, But Norton went on a bit too long Good introduction and interactions - room too dark It was well attended by the new folks. If the community mtg. would have followed they would have met more old timmers Did not attend A lot of information on the history of NANOG - not a lot on how to submit proposals or really get involved with the community One word: Awesome! set all expectations. Explained the group, so that all the jargon and community stuff made sense. Having repeat member there giving testimonials was great didn't attend did not attend I would have found the orientation to be more useful if the discription of the organization of NONOG had been shortened or moved to the community meeting Good Good way to get started - sets a good tone - useful info good n/a n/a n/a useful, illustrative, clarifies who's who n/a n/a It was good but i was surprised at the politics brought up good! n/a satisfactory very good very good and orientative
Comments on the General Session:
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Great organization, no changes needed. More desks, please. The webcast is rather awful: really bad audio that skips whenever the camera position skips and right now unintellegible speech and no video anymore. talk quality was highly variable What general session? It was a whine fest with little content outside of Sir Steenbergens panel, which, when a panel is the best content you have it is fairly pathetic. But then again, at least we didn't have Todd Underwear nay-saying V6 as usual. That was a plus. very good Some sleepers, but generally a good benefit. The general session meetings were attended well and inforative. The programme could have been a bit stronger, but I guess that's all our fault. Overall, the sessions were well presented. Good. liked most of it - pretty decent. I would have preferred more operator focus rather than academic papers Up-to-date slides online are great for those of us with lousy eyesight. Some were tweaked before being presented and couldn't be followed online. Nice mix of presentations Good programme. (Spot the Brit!) Interesting talks, and I'm pleased that we've had plenty of questions raised in response to most of them. Quite a tightly packed programme - I remember not so long ago, we were finishing sessions quite early, so even though we overran occasionally, this is a good thing! :) Some presentations had zero introduction. they went right into the data without properly explaining the problem. Good presentations. For setup seats should not be placed infront of table legs. 40GE/100GE panel was excellent, needed to be longer. Some research presentations were mystifying and not well presented. Speaker training? really enjoying the talk by Len Bosack generally good, had trouble understanding some of the non-native English speakers and that was a big distraction from their presentations, but still good, interesting subjects, etc. Pretty Good. Why have 3 day session? 2 days should have been enough Monday's program excellent. Good presentations, good discussion, good participation from community. Tuesday also interesting. France Telecom R&D session on AS Ranking was great. At least one or two vocal feedback people were too harsh and want every endeavor to be the be all end all analysis solution. This is a great tool to help provide additional education and information to help me make informed decisions about connectivity and peering. I welcome the additional evaluation and data points to help me do my job more effectively. On the 40vs100G panel - I am TIRED of this dialog it's been going on for too long and I couldn't care less about 40G. General session was very useful. I find others points of views very interesting. Seemed cramped not enough table seating available. None good, enjoyed the mixed presentations. + the lightening talks were very good Very weak agenda overall. The most interesting topic by far was the 40GE vs 100GE panel. I liked Monday better than Tuesday The room was too wide, hard to see the screens in the middle Good content Agenda management could have been better - several people ran over which disrupted the entire schedule. Limited Great Good Good Sessions, I liked the 4OG/1100G panel The 10/100 panel was very good. Isenberg was just a mistake Sad that "research" talk don't get much Comments. We would appreciate if NANOG community could atleast say if we are aligned with short/long term needs In general very good Some good talks Very academis at times Some very interesting topics good content this time - Monday was excellent Only to correct his dated views Good, Should bring in more industry standards topics Great topics, somewhat narrow in scope, but I understand the lack of willingness of folks to submit talks security forum good. would have liked more detail. Excellent ok Difficult to understand non-native english speaking presenters good amazed how many people care about getting 100 Gb/s ASAP. Balance of research projects vs. operational content a little skrewed toward reasearch projects particulary enjoyed presentations on Estonian and root server attcks (Arbon & Ultradns) (sp? couldn't read hand writing) Redback presentation very poor. take questions off line good and informative good very excited to see more a research presentation boring Agenda was a little weak Several topics were interesting and useful very interesting about convergance ok nice in general things started on time great! seating was just a little tight but chairs were very confortable
Was the Keynote Speaker address of value?
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Yes. Bill Norton was good. The talk from Ivan Isenberg would be good but not as a keynote talk. Who invited the keynote for Tuesday? The talk was based on pure political angst, nothing technical offered, and blatanly offenisve to many attendees in the room. Did you see the line at the micropohone to challenge this bafoon? yes. the "video crisis" is quite appropriate. Until Ren Provo started hand waving about telco at the mic. Nope. Yes Somewhat of value. I enjoyed the presentation and the discussion it provoked during the Q7A. Not really. A bit of a dissappointment. He didnt seem to be up-to-date with the industry. Some; the arugment was nice. I felt that he didn't have a lot of the background I would expect for that role. Not really. He was a disgruntled bell head who had dated misconceptions from an era long ago. It's easy to play the telco bash game, but he did not really have any evidence to point to other than public statements. His website also looks of early 1990s ramblings of a man with a bone to pick. no no. I wasn't impressed with his oratory, or his understanding of the topic. A bit too high-level, but interesting nonetheless The presentation was a nice jumping off point for the rather lively discussion that followed. I found the discussion more interesting than the speaker as the discussion brought out a lot of the actual complexity and showed how much this issue has become sensationalized and the need to return to finding a sane, technically feasible solution. It was terrible. Speaker (Isenberg) gave erroneous information and was arrogant/dismissive. I hope our registration fees were not used to pay him an honorarium or expenses. Not really This one, not so much. In general, yes. Keynote was very good! yes i think it was pretty good. some of the material was a little stale and not appropriate for the audience but the discussion was very good and it is nice for NANOGers to hear perspectives outside our normal world. Meza, meza. Data was old and outdated, too far removed from the real world to be relevant. Somewhat. Could have been better. Len Bozak XKL was host - I bet he'd have been much more interesting keynoter, given his extensive history in the industry. Keynote was a little lacking. Either more cogent economic arguements or better understanding of carrier economics or both. could have used some coaching yup I was not thrilled with the keynote at all. It was a "dated" talk, the speaker seemed out of his element, and I am always bothered when a keynote speaker repeats several times "I dont know as much about this stuff as you guys". ARG! This is interesting subject matter and could have been much better handled. somewhat. Didn't address real issues Yes, I liked this type of presentation. no Did not attend. yes it was okay, but felt a little lightweight Missed the address Tuesday's speaker, interesting view, but I do disagree very much with his thoughts as his information. Absolutely not. Horrible keynote speaker choice, Len Bosack was much more interesting that role towards the end, but this was not scheduled or announced. Bill Norton's talk was interesting, Isenberg's not so much Not really. I would have preferred to hear Len Bozak, the CEO of XKL who was after all the meeting sponsor, but was also one of the orginal co-founders of Cisco. Just from a historical perspective, this would have been invaluable. Very Much Not Really A bit preaching to the Choir Good zero Interesting disscussion Dubious given the audience Excellent No, did not like it No - didn't know what he was talking about no. it doesn't seem like a good idea to have this person say "Well you guys know way more about this than I do" A more technical topic- or maybe a legal perspective could have been better Not so much Yes somewhat I already filled out the paper survey in Bellevue, but before Len Bosack spoke on Wednesday. His talk and Q&A were fabulous. He should have been the keynote speaker. (I said in the paper survey that the keynote speaker wasn't really very good. Anyone who starts their talk by saying "you guys know more than I do" isn't a good choice. yes Just confirmed things that already expected. Didn't discuss anything new. seemed to stir some controversy which is good NO I like the idea and this guy was ok. but seemed to much of a pundant no,althought I understand the intent to spark debate. The guy is 10 years out of the industry. his slides were 5+ years dated sort of.. I'm prefer another technical presentation No he was too one sided and his info is out of date ABSOLUTELY. 10 years outdated hippie rants on why telcos are bad. AWESOME. makes me feel like its 1996 all over again maybe. It would have been nice to have more up to date informationin the slides argument and basis of the talk somewhat Not very muc - opinion without any substance NO Thought provoking although not enlightening or educational The Network neutrality keynote speaker seemed uninformed David Isenberg isn't current enough yes stuck in traffic no yes very interesting at a high level yes No. an ok talk about 12 months too late yes I thought he was a crackpot.Maybe it was good though for us to see what is out there very much maybe could have more time yes comments were entertaining
Comments on the Tutorials: (Please reference the talks you are commenting about)
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Great! The BGP tutorial by Phillip Smith was great since it gives information of real "operations" of BGP in the internet and did not focused too much on what the theory is. Anyone can learn the theory but not the "scars" from the "operations" site. bgp tutorial was quite good Phillip Smith kicks ass. The BGP communities tutorial & bgp for service providors tutorial were both great value I loved all of them and wish there were more. The Wireshark tutorial presented some good information. N/A nope. did not attend BGP communities tutorial was interesting, but the lack of IOS examples was disappointing. They seemed rather remedial, at least for me. I attended both the BGP tutorial and the BGP Community tutorial. I thought both were very useful and well done. In particular the BGP tutorial was very well organized and presentented in a exceptionally lucid manner. The tutorials alone were well worth my time and money. To be fair I have been away from routing for a few years so it was a very nice refresher as I am stepping back into a network engineer role. Did not attend did not attend Didn't attend any tutorials at this meeting. ras' & tom's community tutorial was good. needs IOS examples ;) n/a BGP Tutorial was good introduction, second half of tutorial gave very practical information that is usually overlooked in training materials. more of them BGP Tech tutorials were good. I did not attend wireshark or bgp communities. -- Tutorials where good BGP tutorials were much more basic than I expected, but I got what I was looking for (actual practices in the real world rather than "how the documentation tells you to do it, but no one does it). None BGP Communities presentation was interesting, and should have been recorded. Did not attend Would like to have seen something on IPv6 Communities=check Peering= Check B&P orientation was great BGP Tutorial enjoyable - Didn't fall asleep, Philip Smith is comical N/A Excellent BGP by Phillip Smith BGP intro tutorial ( the 2 session one) was great n/a N/A Philip Smith tutorials were useful they were good the security BOF could have been better. CALEA is here. What is everyone doing? BGP is every favor... Brain overload by Wed!:) Personally, I prefer having the tutorials on sunday PM BGP. Excellent. Please keep these!! These are I0 1-3 style, can there be 200 level style tutorials as well? BGP lots of good material - not the best pedagological structure - still assumes a lot of knowledge BGP - Philip - Awesome IP security was good IPv6 ULA - great n/a peering bof well what can one say about the peering bof - addressing the same old arguments BGP 1st session excellent I found the BGP communities interesting wish it hadn't conflicted with BGP tools Bof BGP tools very helpful N/a all tutorials were good but BgP techniques for service providers (parts 1 and 2 ) was great BGP techniques were excellent
Comments on the BoF's: (Please reference the talks you are commenting about)
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OK...need more... Security BOF was awesome (obviously biased, I was on the stage) Ever watch Seinfeld? Peering BoF was excellent. All the BGP BGP were appreciated. ULA (IPv6) BoF was a good idea, but for some reason IPv6 presentations and BoFs just get bogged down with the same people arguing about the same things and it intimidates people who might actually have something useful to say! nope. Peering BoF - very good. A good mix of peering, egos, stunting + fronting, rolling + controlling and relevant information as it pertains to operators issues today in the peering arena. Peering BoF should continue - its valuable for new and old alike. The Peering BOF is always entertaining / useful ULA BOF was lively and useful, security BOF was a bit spotty but some good stuff. peering was fun as always Good; interesting topics (ULAs and peering) The peering BoF was quite good. I liked the way it was run. It was good to see people being so involved and contrasting points of view being presented. It is valuable to be exposed to the various points of view since the each have value. >Only attended peering BoF. Format worked well and it was very well attended and organised. The audio in the Lake Washington room was very poor however and speakers would have been considerably better off without it. peering bof was completely unconflicted, making it too blasted large. small conflicts good, but ahaving three things fighting and one not was ... lame. ULA BOF was excellent, esp. for an impromptu (no planning) BOF. Also highly (HIGHLY) relevant / timely. Peering & Security BoF were both quite good. the bofs were great Good Peering BoF. Well run, well organised, well moderated. Plenty of open discussion and information sharing. peering bof seating was cramped. need more notice of the peering personals signup, sorry i missed it. need beer there too, and everyone vacated very soon after the end presumably to the next talk? Maybe make that bof longer please? Peering is still the most fun. Very very much enjoyed the Peering BOF Peering BOF was entertaining Peering BoF continues to be "good stuff". the peering BoF could have used a bigger room :) peering BOG was excellent! Best BOF Ever :-). BGP tools was ok. Security BoF and Peering BoF excellent -- again good community participation in the discussions, different points of view presented. Tom and Richard did a great job w/ the BGP Communities BOF and providing useful examples of the common traget platforms. Even having extensively implemented these measures, they definitely covered best security practices and standard planning layouts that I can use and improve my own existing network and standards. Peering BoF was great. Made the meeting for me. Peering and ISP SEC bofs where interesting The peering BOF was more fun than puppies! But more importantly a lot of topics were covered, and it was nice for relative newcomers to get a sense of the issues and concerns of the group. Peering BoF was not really peering centric, and it seems to be the same folks saying the same things. The BGP tools BoF was interesting. Peering BOF: thanks for moving things around so that all could attend. good try at seating, need a bit bigger room, but still very useful. Nice to see the summary of last BOF's servey, although this BOF's servey was a bit much for info; maybe if on line I could fill out as some information asked I do not follow. Peering BOF was excellent, much better than Toronto. Peering BOF was good Peering BOF needs more chairs We need a few more new speakers in the peering bof I liked the peering introductions scattered throughout the peering bof Hwaring BOF was really interesting peering, good forum, i like the mix between agenda and adhoc discussion BGP and BOF really badly scheduled. we were pushed out of the room too early! BGP communities for SP's - Great Peering BOF - Great! Peering BOF 100 popular for room size - should have been in the general session space Peering BOF - excellent great tools BOF & excellent peering BOF BGP peering session - very good - very professional n/a peering BOF seating is good. need more chairs- need more time for peering BOF Enjoyed BGP communites with Tom and Richard. PeeringBOF room was too small they were good Be held in the main room (grand ballroom) security BOF was the entire NANOG highlight:) Biased! I was on the panel I think the BOF's are great peering = it was nice and in touch with reality peering as an observer, was very interesting peering - great peering BOF was good BoF's needs more space n/a peering Gop is perhaps too often or too long BGP tools and ISP security Bofs were informative - IPv6 talk was entertaining and informative peering bof was nice
Comments on the Community Meeting:
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You mean the squirmfest? perhaps having it jammed between the peering BoF & Microsoft drinks kept attendance down Good so far....I am at it right now. n/a nope. schedule before the peering BoF next time, or enforce ending times. community meeting only works when attendance is high. it wasn't well attended, but I appreciated the transparency. Didn't attend Did not attend. Good, but a shame the attendance was not higher. too small to be in the ballroom. Scheduling change didn't work out for the attendees, I think. Keep the Community Meeting on Sunday night. If we all know it will be Sunday night every NANOG, attendance will be consistent and predictable. Did not attend did not attend Don't put it in competition with dinner. Provide beer and pizza to help break the ice ;). SUNDAY NIGHT. Make sponsors work around the meeting, not replace the meeting. Did not attend. Everyone was tired, was quite dull, probably poor timing. Needs beer & snacks to liven up. poor attendance. need a sexy topic announced in advance. Very good, nice to hear about money, plans, mailing list stuff, counts, PC and SC stuff, etc. Good presentations. Participation should be after newcomer meeting or at least a different time slot. Provide some food even if it is just rudimentary -- or some type of giveaway. Room layout should be less formal. General Session room was really not conducive to good discussion. If done before the rest of the NANOG meetings, you can put in a quick summary of community meeting discussion in the program. Did not attend did not attend. None Horrible timing, poor attendance, should have been held after the newcomers meeting Too big of a room, kinda dull Could have been done in the open meeting rooms Should have been held in a smaller room; this would have been more conducive to open discussion. May have been more well attended if it had been held on Sunday right after the newcomer's thing. Perhaps a more "user friendly" moderator chould have run the newcomer's - Randy can definitely intimidate some people! N/A very useful in understanding the intervals of NANOG like the transparency N/A Did not attend N/A N/A n/a ( I wanted to attend but needed to deal with work issue) Dull Under attended due to dinner/hosted events that late in the day ood poorly attended - switch back to Sunday nights Woefully disappointed on turn out. My expectation set at Newcommers meeting, was this was the one session to be at ( which I was) AND that this was where all the good debate was during open mike. I found many very opionated people which was great, get them infront of the microphones so we could talk I think that its easier for people to want a participators organization than it is for them to actually participate... Personally I found the meeting boring but I never complained about merit Not at dinner time after a full day. Food, alcohol, and interesting topics are good motivators but altering the time maybe cheaper then introducing food or alcohol. Not enough attendees seemed to go well - more sparsely attended than I expected wrong time, not enough people attended very badle attended. Not tightly chaired enough. didn't end outline. a maling list can be run as a democracy >n/a n/a financials could be released online rather than presented each time n/a as with the mailing lists disscussed it went rather long
Schedule comments:
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the newcomers meeting was great on the Sunday night. Overall, the worst NANOG ever. Schedule was fine. n/a schedule was fine. need a little q&a time with the lightening talks I wish I had been able to go to the wireshark talk and the communities tutorial and the peering BoF, but I can't as yet be in multiple places simutaneously in any effective manner. This is not a complaint, more of a positive comment on the quality of the offerings. Please go back to the old schedule with tutorials on Sundays and Monday-Tuesday for general sessions. "new" format means an extra day away from home with no gain for those of us who don't want to attend tutorials... schedule them on a separate day so that non-newbies don't have to be around for them. overall good, solid topics. The last minute change placing the BGP Tools BOF and the BGP Communities Tutorial at the same time was unfortunate. didnt release agenda soon enough - please try and release it earlier whenever possible. Worked well still dont like the 2.5 day schedule. please bring back the 2 day schedule Would have been nice if BGP community and BGP tools sessions did not overlap. Community Meeting timing. I really like the schedule format! SChedule was good overall. I wish the schedule could have been maintained time-wise, but understand that it is more important to allow for extra questions than it is to cut off people who are interested in a subject matter. Should be done by tuesday I'd prefer the old 1 and 1/2 day schedule better. Three days with some downtime is a bit much Liked the schedule mix of BOF's and general sessions. I much prefer this schedule to the older format from a couple of years ago. None not bad, I would try to hold Peering BOF to the second night with no other stuff there as with the format followed it was very useful. Previous nanogs, with everyone presenting a lot of larger providers would just skip it, but most seemed to attend, so good job. Ditch the Monday-Wednesday format please Keep the parties - good fun I prefer the old schedule with tutorials on Sunday and bofs in the evening. Extending until mid-day Wednesday basically wastes a whole day for me. checkk great Works Well scheduled Newcommers should be followed with on Sunday- Newcommers and comments should not clash with dinner Thanks you for moving the BGP community tools Add more tutorials in the morning wish updates were sent to all the TV screens in the common areas. Although I did use the public laptop to get to it a few times a day I would have appreciated a little more "meat" I think tutorials on sunday and BOF's in the evening worked just fine, and make room for a lot more presentations More tutorials, possibly in a parallel track (s)? Move newcommers and community meeting to one slot tutorials on sunday afternoon would have been good Don't much like evening events (general Meetings) I think 2 NANOG's/ year would be enough schedule community meeting on 1st wrong after 1st session good format like flash talks in small groups BGP conflicts with tutorial Bof Three day schedule is too long - three evenings in Bellevue is a lot of time and expense - bring back the two day schedule good mix of pratical and reasearch talks good
What did you like/not like about the meeting venue?
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I like the format and contents: focused on the internet operations worldwide. Great hotel and location. Too far from airport. It was a GREAT venue! I liked the layout. I liked the location. was a bit cold on the Tuesday Liked everything >NA One of the best venues ever. Hotel staff is unbelievably excellent. Good move on getting lots of sponsors so that the food was above par. Do that again. :) Very accessible to rooms. It was well laid out and with the break area immediately outside the general area provided a great place for the side conversations. There could have been a few more table to allow people to stand and eat but it was not a major problem. Liked: - nice hotel - good food at bfast/breaks etc Didnt like: - Hellevue - Distance (& cab fare!) to Seattle I was pleased with how the food worked out. Venue was awesome. Hallways a little thin, but not bad. I really liked the Westin, great hotel food was great it was in bellevue. seattle would have been better It was local, which was good, but Bellevue's traffic is a lot worse than Seattle's... The foyer was a little cramped when everyone was out there for breaks and beer & gear. I am local and it was slightly annoying to pay $14/day for parking. But that is more of an issue with Bellevue than anything. (Can you tell I'm a Seattle resident, not a resident of the east side?) Bellevue is a suburban wasteland. If we visit the Northwest again, please go back to downtown Seattle - it was far more interesting with much better choices for breaks/lunches/dinners. Good breakfast, breaks and beer n gear. Near everything that was needed. Fairly good connectivity. Hotel layout was odd; prefer the social/bar zone to be in the way or in the line of sight of the entryways to make for good lobby-socializing. no room for late checkouts on friday. superb meeting venue - in my ~12 NANOGs, possibly my #1 venue. loved the rooms, loved the public spaces, and the hotel staff were, without exception, friendly, cordial, and superbly helpful. Felt a little crowded - table spacing would have been nice to be a little more between rows i liked the venue quite a lot We seem to have gone from the long narrow room of Toronto, to the wide shallow room of Seattle. I think some people didn't like how wide this room was - though I'm sure we have had rooms that have been similarly wider. The venue did not have (large) enough men's lavatories on the meeting floor to cope with a conference primarily attended by guys - yet there were two women's restrooms on the same floor. The hotel's concept of "continental breakfast" was a little curious. To me, "continental breakfast" = "coffee and croissants", though the cheese selection was nice. However, I generally liked the hotel, and the staff were pleasant enough. The location was good in the sense that there were plenty of choices for lunch and dinner, and they were all within walking distance. Coping with hoardes of hungry and thirsty NANOG attendees didn't seem to be much of a problem. >not enough comfy chairs to go around. and why was the ballroom closed off, thus limiting the seating availability? the bar Excellent facility choice. The Bellevue Westin is/was very comfortable and accomodating. Excessive airconditioning, especially when outdoors changed from hot on Sunday to cold on Wednesday. hallways are narrow other than that Convenient access, good parking I enjoyed the ability to reach various nearby establishments I liked the meeting venue. It was a little hot a couple times but if that is the worst thing I can say than that is pretty good :-). Easy to get to, lots of room, power, food was good, beer and gear was good. Really liked all the ammenities/etc. Liked that is was walking distance to shopping/food/entertainment, also enough hotels in area to service meeting. Beer N Gear in foyer was a bit tight/crowded. Venue was fantastic. Bellevue is really hard to get to early in the morning from Tacama. If you have the venue in Seattle there are more ways to get to the city. When are you guys planning on having NANOG in Vegas or disneyworld? Did not like that the Internet went down. There was not a centralized lobby and bar area that made it easy to track down other participants outside of the meeting hours. The location was good, near shopping and food, no need to travel. Venue is fine, good location to hotels, food.. Connectiviy seemed a bit slow at time, but over nice job that there were enough wireless and wired connections. Good choice of locations, lots of food and things to do nearby. Loved the food, the hotel spread was top class the breaks were done well - loved the hallway for conversations liked the peering bof meeting circle seating but the posts in the room were problematic Hotel was fantastic! Beautiful, bright, well designed, clean, great service, excellent breakfasts and breaks, very helpful staff, nice bar. Liked the location; within walking distance of so many restaurants, etc. The main ballroom was a bit too small to accomodate everyone comfortably. great overall - now, as a first time comer to this area, I'd have prefered it directly in downtown seattle than in bellevue Was good walking distance to food stores, ect. I liked Tronoto for that too Liked having paper survey to fill out Best food ever at NANOG Loved the breakfast food The Westin is good, More common area seating clustered in a collaborative way bellvue is not especially well connected Microsoft Sponsored two nights at pool hall - amazing! do it again free internet Hayatt Thanks Easily Transit - accessible Not many places around to hang out in the evenings You should have soft pretzels Good venue no complaints Westin ran out of NANOG rooms quickly, Hyatt was very nice. Lots of nearby resturants and things to do Great food - Good hallways for socializing Loved hotel beds at the Westin. Connectivity was superb in the room Very nice venue. Good Food. Coming from academia, its a bit pricey Also, I forgot to say that the breakfast good was great! and healthy. It was good tight seating in the main room. The hotel itself was nice but a little expensive wonderful venue - great hotel staff Need better sinage or a map to room areas Great Rooms! Great food! Fantastic service! Awesome location! sold out too early - although thanks to merit and Carol for getting more rooms (may 1) More rooms in the hotel was good. I got approval to come fairly late and stayed in a hotel 5 miles away ease of access like eas access. parking. Professional staff. Great Food Like - community - togetherness of the meeting (well-organized) - topics Did not like - Newbie orientation - parking - directions cramped worked fine Liked that it was close to home Best venue I have ever been at nothing not to like - very good hotel, good location, convenience to food and attraction was as good or better than I've ever seen at NANOG hotel excellent, great food, great tea, best conference ever for availability of tea lots of tables, good. large/multiple presentation screens. poor-too far apart Bellevue was boring nice Expensive and limited accomodations - seattle was cheaper with more available and more to do excellent food and beverage excellent resturants nearby good public transit options meeting room was pleasent. Hotel didn't have obvious congregating spots in the evening. though microsoft party helpes a lot needed more restrooms
What worked well and what should be improved for the next NANOG?
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setup a website where nanog attendees can "request meetings" among themselves. This would facilitate "finding" the person/contact at a given service provider that you would like to meet and discuss some issue. Right now, trying to find a contact you want to talk to is a painful multihop process and best-effort. Answer support email. I'm still waiting on a response. More capacity on the webcast side Interaction with remote participants (e.g. via jabber or irc) The agenda absolutely sucked. Thank the lord the staff are wicked nice, and there are one or two normal people on the PC and SC. It all seems to have worked well. Kudo's. The policial infighting present at the orientation could have been done at the Community Session. Really need to beat up the community to get a better programme. Seating in main room was too cramped, as ever! dunno Good venue with a wide variety of food & backup hotels near-by. Good setup for the ballroom (as compared to the Toronto setup). network was fab the network was great. The "new" schedule continues to be inconvenient. The compressed area for B&G was good due to having agood fflow and not overheating. one large box-room with everyone and gear and food isn't as good. This made for good circulating. i liked the "weird" congregating area outside the general ballroom. though it was shaped non-traditionally, i think it was good, for reasons I guess I can't explain. It worked great for Beer n Gear - more so than the traditional big, square meeting room. Nothing The wireless connectivity has been really nice and stable for the past few meetings. Keep this up! food was good. beer & gear drink lines too long. only issue was the community meeting scheduling. Monday afternoon conflict between BGP Techniques and ISP Security. I wish I could've attended both. Peering bof seating arrangement worked worked very well. Beer & Gear location - very well done. The network was great! It was good for us that Microsoft hosted a gathering for both Monday and Tuesday nights because it allowed us to congregate and interactive with each other efficiently. Otherwise, people will be forced to go off in different groups and have fewer conversations with different attendees. As mentioned before, venue was good, and logistics involved I think were well handled. BOF and tutorials were good. Keynote needs a lot of work. There are more interesting people with more interesting opinions out there. Kudos to the networking people. Awesome job, very happy with wireless net and connectivity back to home base. Network response and availability was the best ever - EXCELLENT JOB!!! The network worked well. keep peering bof at a nicely segmented time as it was moved to for this one. :) Don't take transit from mzima next time please, the Verio 10GE was just fine and attempting to show off only results in instability. better av for the peering bof - mikes kept cutting in and out peering bof had just about the only humor of nanog - nanog needs more humor The agenda needs to be published well in advance for travel planning purposes. Too many last minute agenda changes and adjustments some due to politics, some due to agenda mismanagement. Like the hallway monitors broadcasting the live presentations inside the meeting room. Liked the hosted socials by Microsoft- would be nice to have these at all meetings! Can we get long sleeve nanog T-shirts for a change? Tie-dye would be cool... Do we have enough people traveling that United Airlines (or someone else) would offer discount rates? United's Specialized Meeting Reservations Center can be reached at 1-800-521-4041. -Louie Harder range of topics Beer and gear worked great. Saw great gear and gret social event Menu? what about scoring/ranking for each talk on the website? wireless was good I liked how there was a range of stuff to appeal to beginners all the way to people like Randy Bush Less academic More BOF time Peering BOF needs more mic's Local hosts/1X operator encouraged smaller local networks to participate. Nice new Mix. Add more technical talk. Also have presenter give basic idea about the problem I enjoyed the beer and gear. There were more vendors present than the last meeting I attended. Is it possible to increase the number of vendors? Wifi was better than any other confernce I've attended. Community meeting needs EVERY attendee. Make it the lead in to Beer/Gear or a Keynote See 16 and move the community meeting more space more hotel rooms at conf hotel network worked very well overall, well done. network works DOUBLE SIDED BADGES schedule even if three day could be more dense through topics and response time measurment tools/services slides on presentations should be available online when presentation is done
Do you have suggestions for future NANOG presentations? (Topics and/or speakers)
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It would be fun, and educational, to have a list of awards during the beer and gear time such as: "top three problems in the internet", "The nicest carrier in the internet", ...something like that... there isn't much out of the box thinking about network/security monitoring. too much "pile up tons of netflow data" and lack of sharing in terms of doing anything with it. plus there is the rather classic problem of monitoring is second place behind making things work (of course). The PC needs to enlist in the Ted Seely school of work ethic and get off their asses and go get some presenters. Do something, or get out of the way. IPv6 Cory Doctorow presents well for keynotes. I listened to him at LISA'06 in DC. Topics that'd be good would be stuff on the practical implementation of IPv6. More P2MP MPLS capabilities. How people are addressing routing scaling issues. v4 to v6 transition issues, i'd like to see more practical v6 deployment stories practical ipv6 deployment experience Continued v6. Calea deadlines have already passed; only interesting if the feds will come and tell us what enforcement teeth will be involved, or if someone can provide real lessons-learned. Gaming companies? we've had some video but they have heavy RTT interactive traffic of interest. More video. ipv6, ipv6, ipv6 More on IPv6 and what it's change in state in the production networks is Traffic engineering and network scaling tricks to cope with pipes not being wide enough - a practical follow-up to the 100G fiasco. I would like to see vendor and tools demoed on the nanog network. Show "live" demos of the research being done. Perhaps have a "show n' tell" session where people can show of what they've presented and allow for more discussion. not yet, but I might later.... :) More diversity in subject matter. I think a a good mix of BGP, fiber/highcap/ DNS, security, LAN expansion, political stuff, CALEA, IPV6, monitoring, real-world cases, etc is the perfect meeting subjects. Ipv6 topics and more network topological data IPv6 topics will probably be relevant -- a joint discussion with ARIN/NANOG would be good at Fall meeting. I was also thinking that it might be interesting to find out from the operator community what types of problems/tools they would like to see from the academic/research realm, and what "features" we would like to see in hardware/software from vendor community. Like a good mix of operations and R&D. Migrations are most helpful, IGP/EGP/MPLS/platform. S-BGP, Fiber optics Infrastructure protection/hardening, possibly a "Whats new in BGP/OSPF/LDP" I'd like to see more operational tools talks and best practices. I didn't get that from the BGP tools BOF and it's what I was hoping for. IPv6 - sounds like it's beaten, but looking at the full suit, including mail, are all things enabled. 4byte ASN's - review of who can support and or time lines for support, eg. cisco,juniper,alcatel, foundry, extreme, force10, etc. Better content please more mix of business and technical Anything on IPv6 Liked the idea of keynote speaker; would be great to get well known Internet gurus for keynotes. More iece stuff, Wifi voip? outdoor wireless? I would have enjoyed listening more to the Yahoo guy and how they have things set up currently more introduction stuff Vint Cerf. Mobile phone.Satellite network design more on IPv6 CALEA - Limit presentations by vendors. More real world examples from operators. The academic presentations hold no current real value More security presos outside of the BOF. Maybe more public policy debate, invite an FCC member IPv6 is good, multi-cast, video all good, Maybe even CDNS (??survey copied from paper copy, very poor hand writing) VOIP, ect. More topic on the CDN Keep BGP more BGP! IPv6 tutorials More on our regulatory environment Lets get some lawyers in review of business models car operators - how to tansition to profitable sustainable internet while keeping openess to new applications martin Gedded, Telco 2.0/ telecosm ask challenger/solution something about the future of the internet and the economical sustainability of the free model non-university speakers NO more architure /engineering, V6 , more operational focus speakers - scott bradner more "great debates" format - Like IPv6 BoF who knows - 802. 1ah and PBT CALEA molecular sequence reduction circut emulation over packet IMS
Suggestions/volunteers for future NANOG Hosts: (The folks who work with Merit to locate hotel, provide connectivity, build hotel network, and staff meeting)
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Let me see if I can build a clue list and I'll get back to you. This will be hard. Go beat up Level3!!! Lots of venues there that could do this around Broomfield. Akamai - they make money off a lot of NANOG networks & their customers. they wouldn't exist witthout the rest of the net. Comcast. Limelight. >Equinix, again, one of these days I think lots of BW is good. This year was the first year I could actually see what I was typing on my remote machines all day long. So keep up the good BW. Nice/clean/newer hotels are nice as well. Good AV, etc. I really think this nanog was best yet in terms of the rooms/etc. Working on it. Better video recording/streaming We threw out hat in ring - Uninvited layer :) Happy with whatever Akomoi - Cambridge in October 2008 None Free in room internet access No more Kornet apologists. more security detail, Bonet detection, scaling IDS to large networks none limelight no ensure hotel has sufficient lobby/public gathering areas
Suggestions/volunteers for future NANOG Sponsors: (The folks who provide monetary support in exchange for exhibit area and community recognition)
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Ask Cachelogic! http://www.cachelogic.com/ WDM equipment providers: MRV, Wave2Wave, Cube Optics Better demos in the booths. Some of the sponsors actually had working equipment, but companies like Juniper had a guy handing out swag... Hmmm, thanks for the swag but couldn't J even had a box with blinking lights? Working on it. not sure How come we have never done anything in NY? Apple - iPhone - Nokia-would love to learn more about the network joel Jaeggli mentioned at the close of the Keynote none Increase the number but keep them in the lobby none n/a no more, Thanks! Huawei, Ellatoya, Google
19. Why do you attend NANOG?
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Professional relationships. Meeting new people. and getting a "bigger picture" of what is going on in the internet operator's mind...All in a relaxed enviroment... Local meeting right after NANOG. to see what is going on in the NANOG community. To learn something, but that was a mistake. Networking with peers. Hallway meetings & Peering BoF primarily Networking For experience exposure to Merit and other large network operators. Learn stuff, meet people. It is mostly for the face-to-face time with other network operators and vendors. >Meet folks! To stay current, to network, to get away, to get value out of it. The people. The belief that I'll see a presentation that would enlighten me to something new that I never would have found otherwise. Information about interesting topics as well as networking with the people that attend technical content, hallway meetings looking to understand more of what the providers are dealing with. It makes my role as an enterprise architect a little easier. Peering coordination, education This time it was a crime of opportunity, I live in Seattle. I don't know if I will have funding for future NANOGs, but would definitely consider attending if possible. I expect as I get integrated into the community NANOG will be an opportunity to catch up with friends and colleagues in the community. To network with network architects and peering coordinators. To meet with customers/colleagues in the SP industry. >To meet people. Interesting talks. Interesting people. networking, networking, networking (and I'm not talking about the kind with cables and routers) Network with other network providers and interesting presentations its my peeps To meet new people, and network with existing contacts. Spend time with industry peers and my own customers. Hallway conversations are vital, NANOG is not just about sitting in talks, and I think this balance has improved significantly over the past couple of years. i have been asking myself the same question. Social I'm a network engineer for a Wireless ISP and need to know what's going on in the Internet and provider community. To make new contacts and to learn. Speaker, meeting colleagues, making new contacts, some presentations might be interesting. Human networking (not Cisco), keeping up on technology, education Primarily to network with customers, potential customers, partners, competitors, and vendors. to make tech contacts, learn stuff, socialize, meet peers in person, learn more stuff, see state of the art talks, etc. Keep up-to-date on techniques, tools, best practices. Interface with other operators, meet peers. etc. Keep up to date on current operational issues and challenges. Finding and maintaining peering and network operations contacts. local To stay up to date on current methods and practices. To pick up some informational tidbits and see how/what other operators are doing and to meet people face to face that I have only talked to or emailed. sessions and to meet with peers. I didn't do a very good job of that. Events where I've had better success are events with an extensive, small targeted BOF session track (or evening BOFS). Have you considered encouraging anything like that? It's a useful networking venue, and the talks/tutorials are generally useful. contact others in the community, if I attend I can focus on what is important going on. If not for the Hallway Track, I wouldn't. The agenda should be approved accordingly. I like the nanog forum, the people, the community is almost family now Mostly for the networking opportunities To get inspired by new directors Interest and Learning of the latest community Gear,Social, Peering, Gain ideas for use back at UL Learn/Peer Talk with other engineers/Ect. figure out how they do things networking Trying to get feedback for ISP community on research tool (l-BGP) and establigh contacts. Relations between ISP and audiences is very important to us Keep abrest of industry. Exchange Ideas. Network! to find out what are the real problems Our company was sending a few Network engineers, but 3 of us SA/dev guys wanted to see what we could get out of it to Learn more. Network with people in the industry To meet up with people is the main reason - i came to meet with NSRC jocks. Some techs are useful to me and my company. People networking Peering BOF - advance to intrest with peers For the sunny weather:) Peering/Network planning Feedback on research, and making contacts In town and provide use/all information Improve peering. Learn new "techniques" to improve our network. Come up with ideas for new products and services. 75% - build industry relationships (put faces to e-mail names) 25% - training - information sponging to widen breadth of knowledge Good presentations chance to interact with other network folks Gain more exposure to current trends and to the ISP community in general High value of presentation information - social networking First time. Recommended by co-workers To learn more about the conference itself and to learn more about BGP technical info and contacts peer learning One of the few meetings/conf I attended that I get practical info from. Other is joint techs Keep in touch with collegues. Stay informed of latest innovation. See the vendors To meet other attendees, to listen to operators and customer requirements To learn share ideas, just latest research to interchange experiences with people involved in the same responsibilites than me private meeting Relevance to work! Prof contacts, peering and to find out how other providers are building their networks operational relevance, netowrking, hallway conversations To stay current with network providers issues/challenges/best practices and with internet technologies and techniques to meet with peers and to hear about issues affecting the industry Experice change, technology update need up-to-date info on how people do things