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Re: Force10 Gear - Opinions

  • From: Jo Rhett
  • Date: Wed Sep 03 20:28:47 2008

On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Paul Wall wrote:
They appear to be nonsense. They were bought and paid
for by Cisco, and including nonsense things like "if you leave a slot open
the chassis will burn up" as a decrement, which is also true in pretty much
every big iron vendor.

Current-generation Cisco and Juniper hardware don't seem to have this problem.

Your statement doesn't match my experience.

I don't think the "remove one SFM and all the others go offline"
failure mode is commonplace among other vendors either.

It is neither common nor even actual on Force10. I've pulled many an SFM ;-)

They also deliberately detuned the force10
configuration. They re-ran the tests using the recommended configuration
and got very different numbers -- which you can request from them, but they
won't publish on the website.

I'd be interested in seeing this. Mind putting them up somewhere and sharing the URL?

Sorry, my day job doesn't include promoting anyone's gear or etc. Got other things need doing. Ask EATC and ask them about their ethics while you're at it.

Based on what? For E and C series boxes, Cisco is never cheaper. S-series
are a different story.

I was comparing list pricing for the E-series up against Catalyst 6500, Supervisor 720-3BXL, 6700 blades with CFC... which I consider a fair comparison.

For equivalent redundancy and ports, the Force10 is always cheaper - even just in list price. (on the E-series -- Cisco has some cheaper options than the S-series so I've heard - don't care)

As a box designed with the enterprise datacenter in mind, the E- series
looks to be missing several key service provider features, including
MPLS and advanced control plane filtering/policing.

Ah, because Cisco does either of these in hardware?

Yes, they do, on the s720-3B and better.

No, they don't. There are *no* *zero* providers doing line-speed uRPF on Cisco for a reason. Stop reading, start testing.

Jo Rhett
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