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NANOG Meeting Presentation Abstract

Peering BOF XVII
Meeting: NANOG40
Date / Time: 2007-06-05 4:00pm - 5:30pm
Room: Lake Washington
Presenters: Speakers:

William B. Norton, Equinix

Bill Norton is Co-Founder and Chief Technical Liaison for Equinix. He focuses on research on large-scale interconnection and ISP peering, and in particular, scaling Internet operations using optical networking. Bill has published and presented his research in a variety of international forums. From 1987 to 1998, he served in several staff and managerial roles at Merit Network, directing national and international network research and operations activities and serving as NANOG coordinator. Bill received a B.A. in Computer Science and an M.B.A. from the Business School at the University of Michigan, and has been an active member of the Internet Engineering Task Force for the past 15 years.
Abstract: Welcome - 10 minutes - Bill Norton - Agenda Bashing and Observations

Anonymous Survey and Discussion - 5 minutes - Bill Norton - On behalf of an anonymous community member who is employer mute would like to know
1) Who is using graceful restart on their BGP peering sessions?
2) Why graceful restart is a good idea?
3) Why graceful restart is a bad idea?

PeeringDB.com Presentation - 10 minutes - Terry Rodery (BitGravity) - an update on the function and enhancement of this community contact information database.

UnderHanded Peering Techniques - 10 minutes - Jim Deleskie (VSNL) - some updates to the Art of Peering white paper detailing some of the more unusual tactics seen in the field.

Peering in Seattle Presentation- 10 minutes - Patrick Gilmore (Akamai) - Since we are all near Seattle, a major peering location in the U.S., Patrick will review the peering landscape in Seattle. Specifically -

Why peer in Seattle?

Where do folks peer in Seattle?

What is different about peering in Seattle?

What ASes are uniquely available here?

Any gotchas. lessons learned?

Peering BOF HotSeat Topic - Transit Survey(s) - 10 Minutes - Joe Provo - Here we to perform another survey that will hopefully mitigate the privacy concerns while still providing interesting useful data.

Additional topics as they come up at NANOG. Send email to bill.norton at gmail.com if you want to volunteer to facilitate a short peering discussion.

Peering Spotlight - remainder of the time - ALL - for Peering Coordinators that are just starting peering with their AS in the US we have a few minutes for them to introduce themselves to the group. This will provide a chance for them to be approached by active peers in the room as we break.

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Still TBD... Here are the ideas without someone to volunteer to step up and lead the discussion. Add your name if you would volunteer....

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Is peering with the eyeball networks becoming more difficult with all the mergers. SBC used to be selective, now with BellSouth and AT&T, present more eyeballs and presumably is more restrictive. Likewise with Adelphia, Time Warner/Roadrunner merging and Verizon/MCI/UUNet, are we seeing a tightening of peering with eyeball networks? (Need a discussion leader here)

Peering Capacity Upgrade - The Peering Community often upgrades peering capacity when utilization reaches 60%/75%/80%...but what do folks find is the right number? When should folks upgrade from 1G to 10G public peering or 1G to n*1G private peering? (from boggits-8468)

Pros and Cons of hot potato routing for video traffic (i.e. relying on the quality your own vs. your peers network) (from Remco-16243)

VOIP Peering Requests - while voip is still in its infancy it continues to be a growth area and companies make money from it. This sub topic will explore the practical side of peering voice traffic. (from ren-8172)

Multicast Peering - as bandwidth for video becomes a constraint, is it time for multicast to be considered as an efficient inter-as distribution? (from Niels)

Jumbo frames - should we explore big mtu VLANs for peering this traffic? (from Niels) -- YES! Small MTU\'s are a waste! (Martin)

Do shared Route Servers make sense anymore? (from Niels)

A random walk through IRC Peering Topics and Discussions - what are the peering coordinators discussing these days?

Peering Debate - a staple of the Peering BOF, this section identifies an interesting topic for which there are two diametrically opposing views. Two debaters are recruited to present the strongest case on each side and the audience votes on which side presented the most compelling case. Then we discuss points that didn\'t come up or were not made strongly enough.

How about peering point support for carriers that have 10G, and potentially 40G, undersea cable backbones arriving in the US at the Pacific or Atlantic coasts. (Martin)
Files: pdfMinutes from the Session(PDF)
pdfPatrick Gilmore Presentation(PDF)
pdfTerry Rodery Presentation(PDF)
Sponsors: None.

Back to NANOG40 agenda.

NANOG40 Abstracts

  • Panel: Higher Speed Ethernet - 40G vs 100G
    Moderators:
    Richard A. Steenbergen, nLayer Communications; Panelists:
    Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks; Drew Perkins, Infinera; Igor Gashinsky, Yahoo!; Lane PattersonEquinix; .
  • Panel: Higher Speed Ethernet - 40G vs 100G
    Moderators:
    Richard A. Steenbergen, nLayer Communications; Panelists:
    Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks; Drew Perkins, Infinera; Igor Gashinsky, Yahoo!; Lane PattersonEquinix; .
  • Panel: Higher Speed Ethernet - 40G vs 100G
    Moderators:
    Richard A. Steenbergen, nLayer Communications; Panelists:
    Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks; Drew Perkins, Infinera; Igor Gashinsky, Yahoo!; Lane PattersonEquinix; .
  • Panel: Higher Speed Ethernet - 40G vs 100G
    Moderators:
    Richard A. Steenbergen, nLayer Communications; Panelists:
    Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks; Drew Perkins, Infinera; Igor Gashinsky, Yahoo!; Lane PattersonEquinix; .
  • Panel: Higher Speed Ethernet - 40G vs 100G
    Moderators:
    Richard A. Steenbergen, nLayer Communications; Panelists:
    Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks; Drew Perkins, Infinera; Igor Gashinsky, Yahoo!; Lane PattersonEquinix; .
  • ISP Security
    Moderators:
    Danny McPherson, Arbor Networks; Kevin Lanning, AT&T;
  • ISP Security
    Moderators:
    Danny McPherson, Arbor Networks; Kevin Lanning, AT&T;
  • BGP Tools
    Speakers:
    Daniel Massey, Colorado State University;
  • Community Meeting
    Speakers:
    Randy BushActing SC Chair; .
    Steve FeldmanPC Chair; .
    Aleksandr PilosovActing MLC Chair; .
    Betty BurkeNANOG Project Chair at MERIT; .
  • Community Meeting
    Speakers:
    Randy BushActing SC Chair; .
    Steve FeldmanPC Chair; .
    Aleksandr PilosovActing MLC Chair; .
    Betty BurkeNANOG Project Chair at MERIT; .
  • Community Meeting
    Speakers:
    Randy BushActing SC Chair; .
    Steve FeldmanPC Chair; .
    Aleksandr PilosovActing MLC Chair; .
    Betty BurkeNANOG Project Chair at MERIT; .
  • Community Meeting
    Speakers:
    Randy BushActing SC Chair; .
    Steve FeldmanPC Chair; .
    Aleksandr PilosovActing MLC Chair; .
    Betty BurkeNANOG Project Chair at MERIT; .
  • Real-time Blackhole Analysis with Hubble
    Speakers:
    Ethan Katz-Bassett, University of Washington; Harsha V. MadhyasthaUniversity of Washington; .
    John P. JohnsonUniversity of Washington; .
    Arvind KrishnamurthyUniversity of Washington; .
    Thomas AndersonUniversity of Washington; .
  • Real-time Blackhole Analysis with Hubble
    Speakers:
    Ethan Katz-Bassett, University of Washington; Harsha V. MadhyasthaUniversity of Washington; .
    John P. JohnsonUniversity of Washington; .
    Arvind KrishnamurthyUniversity of Washington; .
    Thomas AndersonUniversity of Washington; .
  • Real-time Blackhole Analysis with Hubble
    Speakers:
    Ethan Katz-Bassett, University of Washington; Harsha V. MadhyasthaUniversity of Washington; .
    John P. JohnsonUniversity of Washington; .
    Arvind KrishnamurthyUniversity of Washington; .
    Thomas AndersonUniversity of Washington; .
  • Real-time Blackhole Analysis with Hubble
    Speakers:
    Ethan Katz-Bassett, University of Washington; Harsha V. MadhyasthaUniversity of Washington; .
    John P. JohnsonUniversity of Washington; .
    Arvind KrishnamurthyUniversity of Washington; .
    Thomas AndersonUniversity of Washington; .
  • Real-time Blackhole Analysis with Hubble
    Speakers:
    Ethan Katz-Bassett, University of Washington; Harsha V. MadhyasthaUniversity of Washington; .
    John P. JohnsonUniversity of Washington; .
    Arvind KrishnamurthyUniversity of Washington; .
    Thomas AndersonUniversity of Washington; .

 

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