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NANOG 49 Survey Results

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Combined Survey Results

At NANOG49, individual surveys were presented to attendees on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and at the conclusion of the meeting. Below, the results of the individual days' surveys are combined into a single report. 

  NANOG49 Combined Survey Results

San Francisco, CA (June 13-16, 2010)  

B1. How did you attend NANOG?

Response Percent (Response Total)

In person in San Francisco

97.9% (507)

Via webcast

2.1% (11)

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B2. How many NANOG meetings have you attended?

This is my first meeting

32.2% (167)

Less than 5

32.6% (169)

More than 5

11.4% (59)

More than 10

9.4% (49)

More than 15

4.0% (21)

More than 20

10.4% (54) 

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519

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B3. Overall, has this NANOG meeting been useful to you up to this point?

Very Useful

40.2% (208)

Useful

56.0% (290)

No Opinion

2.5% (13)

Not Very Useful

1.0% (5)

Useless

0.4% (2)

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  QUESTIONS ABOUT SUNDAY AND EARLY MONDAY EVENTS

S1. Introduction to Label switched Multicast: P2MP-TE & mLDP
with Rajendra Chayapathi and Utpal Mukhopadhyaya, Cisco Systems

  1. A good tutorial, would have been interesting to hear about vendor interoperability.
  2. Awesome!
  3. Could have been better.
  4. Excellent! I am not completely versed in MPLS, but I understood everything they were laying out, including the finer points of why these protocols were useful, how they interoperated, and the difference between the RSVP-TE and the mLDP approaches. Excellent speakers, and they responded to audience questions specifically and very well.
  5. Exciting stuff; we may be interested in buying mcast transit services soon.
  6. Good
  7. Good presentation - too short perhaps asMP2MP was not covered problems with slide availability on the site
  8. Good presentation.
  9. Informative.
  10. interesting topic. Would be great to see more presentations on this track
  11. Pretty informative, was hoping for more practical information. Questions seemed to get bogged down in minutia
  12. This was a good presentation to peak intrest in the technology.
  13. This was a great session both speakers were very knowledgeable
  14. Unfortunately too much time to go in-depth with the more sophisticated and interesting stuff. Suggestion for future presentations is to skip the trivial RSVP/LDP work-through to save more time for the advanced stuff.
  15. Very Good
  16. Very good. Explained the concepts very clearly and answered the questions being asked during presentation clearly.
  17. Well done, very informative

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S2. MPLS for Dummies
with Richard Steenbergen, nLayer Communications

     
  1. A very nice summary. Particularly useful was the pointer to the environments or situations where various alternatives are typically used.
  2. Arrived a little late but found it very informative.
  3. As always RAS is very informative
  4. Awesome!
  5. Did not attend, but would have liked to if I'd gotten here earlier.
  6. did not see this talk. Applicable to this level of attendee knowledge?
  7. Excellent as RAS's are, but a bit short at only about a hour. Can we ask RAS for .333 of the registration? :-)
  8. excellent overview, with good insights on why as well has the how. go ras
  9. Excellent Primer on the subject. I found it very useful and forwarded it to my staff,
  10.  
  11. Excellent. Although if that was for dummies, I'd love to see the "For Cretins."
  12. Good - "For dummies" should be more for dummies :)
  13. Good beginner's introduction.
  14. Good but fast. It would be nice if there was more time for this session
  15. Good but quite short
  16. Good overview
  17. Good overview of MPLS, particularly for a dummy like me. Steenbergen tutorials are always first rate.
  18. good presentation. Richard made effective use of humor both in the slide deck and in his delivery of the material.
  19. Good presenter, interesting topic
  20. Good, a little hard to follow at times, may just be my lack of experience level.
  21. Great as always!
  22. Great informative tutorial
  23. Great intro from a network engineer's perspective. Finished early though and the break wasn't prepared.
  24. Great intro, covered aspects that vendor documentation doesn't completely cover.
  25. Great lecture, very informative, excellant presentation
  26. Great presentaion
  27. Great presentation, especially the graphic representation of TE preemption
  28. Great speaker.
  29. Great talk about MPLS.
  30. his session was very helpful and the presenter was very skillful about MPLS.
  31. incredibly informative and interesting
  32. Informative base of MPLS and its use. Enjoyed the technical clarity and detail that he went into.
  33. Informative. Too much detail on TE relative to other MPLS configuration.
  34. Interesting useful talk, as ever from Ras
  35. leet
  36. Missed first part. Will watch online later (and happy to have that opportunity!)
  37. nice high level overview
  38. Okay
  39. Rather interesting
  40. Solid overview, I liked it.
  41. solid, thorough, presentation. met expectations.
  42. The talk was very informative but it did assume quite a bit of knowledge. I felt it was more of a medium-level discussion rather than for Dummies.
  43. This presentation was very useful to me as a "dumb" user of provided MPLS services who is currently wondering if he should consider
  44. implementing MPLS in his environment.
  45. This was a great class. Would love to see more of this.
  46. Very educational and a great speaker.
  47. very enlightening, though I was not appreciative of slides 47/48
  48. Very good presentation. Lot's of details. Maybe a bit too compact
  49. very good!
  50. Very good, even for someone who operates an MPLS network, revisiting some ideas gave me things to think about.
  51. Very informative and well-thought-out.
  52. Very informative. Appreciated the bottom-up description, and what MPLS can and can not do.
  53. Very informative. I have only interacted with the end point configuration and its nice to see how the MPLS works as a whole.
  54. Very nice presentation, did not dive into technical configuration details, which was a good thing, provided enough information to get to know the concepts of the protocol
  55. very useful
  56. Very useful introduction. Hope the name didn't turn people off... it was not for dummies.
  57. Well presented - very good topic
  58. Well presented.
  59. what I saw was very good!

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S3. Which Routing Protocol?
with Faraz Shamim and Khalid Raza, Cisco Systems

  1. An excellent view of what routing protocol is better
  2. Awesome!
  3. did not see this talk. Applicable to this level of attendee knowledge?
  4. Good comparison
  5. Good content, but seemed of limited interest.
  6. Great
  7. i'm beginning to administer ospf in my network. i know nothing about IS-IS. i was glad to hear one is not necessarilly better than the other.
  8. It was a good update
  9. material a little dry
  10. n/a I wish I didnt miss it, I was at the mpls for dummies.
  11. not engaging
  12. Okay, somewhat informative....
  13. Really interesting and useful
  14. The title would have been better if it hinted that it was going to talk about IGPs
  15. Useful. The presentation would have benefitted by having some pictures and figures. It was too texty.
  16. Very Good
  17. Very revelant to our current situation.
  18. Very useful, specially for a neutral point of view. The presentation was intended to expose the differences, not for force you to chose.
  19. Well detailed. I decided to switch to the session above since it was also of high interest.

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S4. Automating Network Configuration
with Brent Chapman, Netomata, Inc.

  1. A usefull tools to know how to manage the network and save configurations
  2. Excellent presentation, describe the fact s about network deployment really well.
  3. Excellent, though could have skimmed the rationale slides for the audience. GREAT to have those in the archives for folks who need to
  4. make the arguments. We need more hands-on or followup to actually using/work with the ngc toolset.
  5. Gave me a few ideas and also pointed out a few area's I need to improve configuration management in our network.
  6. generic, and boring
  7. Good
  8. Good philosophy, but automatic generation of configs depends on the device being config-friendly. It's not feasible in our Cisco environment - can't reload every time we make a config change.
  9. Good side conversation and hints.
  10. Good talk that gave a great description of the benefits to using automated tools.
  11. good talk with interesting content. Speaker very good and knowledgeable.
  12. Good to learn about a few tools I had not tried or used.
  13. good, but didn't really tell me anything i didn't already know and do. but NCG is new to me, might give it a whirl.
  14. Good, I just missed power blocks in conference room
  15. Good. Again. More time needed. He could have covered turn up of his software.
  16. good...was hoping for more hands-on with NCG though
  17. Great
  18. Great idea, but quickly became a sales pitch for the open-sourced program.
  19. Great session and very relevant.
  20. He is right.
  21. Helpful. Good references to useful tools. Made me realize I have to learn some ruby.
  22. I attended and enjoyed this tutorial
  23. i can't wait to contribute to this program. it has been needed for a long time.
  24. I enjoyed all the points Brent offered, and learned the correct pronounciation of Netomata. He gave us a very good talk on the principles of configuration management, but ran out of time to show us the actual Netomata interface.
  25. Informative and enjoyable. Well presented.
  26. Informative and interesting. kudos
  27. Interesting, covered questions well.
  28. Interisting
  29. Looks like I should have been sat in this one rather than the OTN one.
  30. Loved this. Plan on getting involved in the community.
  31. Makes a good case for automation, but he didn't go into his own produce (NCG) enough to see it in action. But I guess that's what the links to the Web site are for.
  32. Maybe the best thing I saw at NANOG 49, (I can't tell yet -) I have some automation and will certainly check out Brent's recommendations.
  33. More detail would be an improvement, but useful
  34. Only attended the last 30 minutes. Excellent presentation
  35. Pretty good overall. There may have been a bit too much advertising of the need for automating configurations for veteran NANOG'ers,
  36. but I think overall, the content was right on.
  37. Pretty good.
  38. somehwat high level and appeared to be aimed at a less technical crowd
  39. Start of a subject area which will be a hot topic for the next few years - good presentation
  40. this is a very useful topic, and it was a dense presentation. there was a large amount of data presented.
  41. this was a great presentation and very informative.
  42. This was an area new to me so good to see.
  43. Useful and engaging
  44. Useful tools. Lots of potential.
  45. Very good and useful presentation.
  46. Very good presentation skills. Appreciated the presenter for that. He did say he knew his audience, yet covered a lot of the basics at the start. Could have skipped that part to get more into his tool.
  47. Very good. Interesting content and good presentation.
  48. Very good. Useful open-source tools discussed.
  49. very helpful slides
  50. Very interesting. Good job of explaining concisely what the specific tool does, and in general what the advantages and issues are with automated configuration.
  51. Very interesting. We're at a perfect point to consider this topic. Very glad to get Brent's overview.
  52. Very useful in discussing challenges, steps towards achieving overall automation, names of tools to consider.
  53. Very useful too. At our ISP we already use some of the apps commented, but a lot were new to us.
  54. VERY useful!
  55. Well presented and clean.
  56. Went long, wanted him to focus more on the solution and skip the justification slides.
  57. what I saw was very good!

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S5. LSM Technology: Overview, Drivers & Applications
with Shankar Vemulapalli and Harmen Van Der Linde, Cisco Systems

  1. did not see this talk but slides looked interesting.
  2. Good.
  3. Informative.
  4. ok
  5. ok. not immediately applicable to my network.
  6. Overall a good overview of the technology. However, the presentation had insufficient concreteness.
  7. The difference with the S1 session @ 2:00 was not clear.
  8. This session was spectacular Shenkar provided an exellent in-depth overview(oxymoron?)
  9. this was tougher presentation -- perhaps since the state of the technology is such that there fewer real world implementations to use as examples.
  10. Unfortunately too much time to go in-depth with the more sophisticated and interesting stuff. Suggestion for future presentations is to skip the trivial RSVP/LDP work-through to save more time for the advanced stuff.
  11. Was ok.

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S6. Understanding OTN and the Path to the Future
with Michael Jamgochian, Alcatel-Lucent

  1. Below average - I have never seen a NANOG preso with so many vendor marketing slides in it.
  2. did not see this talk but slides looked interesting.
  3. Found this to be very useful. However, the speaker was using updated presentation that was not yet posted to the nanog websit.
  4. Good data, but crazy thick -- to be expected.
  5. Good overview.
  6. Good presentation
  7. Good talk, challenging topic to present (imo)
  8. Good topic, massacred by a hideously dull, monotonous speaker who made me lose the will to live. Ballroom also freezing cold during that session.
  9. I sat in on this but for my job personally I did not find it useful.
  10. Interesting topic but too many details on the terminology rather than the technology
  11. Interesting topic, presentation style a bit dry
  12. Interesting, a bit dry.
  13. NEAT
  14. Pretty high level, didn't seem to cover anything I couldn't figure out on my own
  15. put me to sleep
  16. Reasonable. Speaker was a bit monotonic in nature but decent content otherwise.
  17. Slow, too detailed if not an expert
  18. useful
  19. very good
  20. Very heavy.
  21. Walked out. Boring to the point of pain.

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S8. The Sunday evening Community Meeting

  1. A good one, discussing the split was just what we needed.
  2. A touch crowded but fun :-)
  3. A very interesting discussion and plan. I am concerned about the lack of a backup plan.
  4. Answered some questions, left others unanswered. Still didn't identify the problems with the Merit relationship and how transition will fix it.
  5. circular, repetitive arguments resulting from misunderstanding of the newnog revolution...
  6. commented
  7. Entertaining
  8. Entertaining
  9. Everybody kept their manners in check, commendable but somewhat less entertaining ;)
  10. Excelent meeting
  11. Excellent meeting, glad folks behaved. Do need to see the pro forma finances though... as well as the worst case scenarios. Echoing
  12. Randy, we elected the SC just get everything together and tell us where we are. No need to encourage too much debate here, we'll vote in October.
  13. Excellent, except that it was a bit crowded.
  14. extremely useful
  15. fiesty
  16. Glad the SC tried to include the community in the transition. Sorry so many people took it the wrong way, but financials are important to see.
  17. Good
  18. good
  19. good and informative
  20. Good and informative and kept people aware of whats going on.
  21. Good atmosphere to meet and great.
  22. Good meeting, although wonder if some of the translation discussion will be duplicated with Monday's meeting
  23. good to hear all the questions surrounding the Merit/NANOG split
  24. good, but politics really got in the way
  25. Good. I guess you should come-up with all numbers clearly with valid reasons behind it.
  26. Great
  27. Great!
  28. Great!
  29. great! it was a little too packed though.
  30. Had a blast. Met quite a few people and hope to build more relationships tonight at the social
  31. Had a lot of Fun, Glad I got to come here. Hope to be here next year
  32. Huge strides for the community and NANOG at large. Go NewNOG
  33. I did not take yesterday's survey.
  34. I didn't gain much from this. I expected more to meet the community instead of the political/layer9 that was. I realize this is
  35.  
  36. important for the community, but it seems more backchannel (or "meta") that's not relevant to how I run a network.
  37. I enjoyed the comments about the upcoming proposed transition.
  38. I was surprised I didn't see more blood on the floor. Well handed by Steve and gang.
  39. Interesting news regarding nanog transition.
  40. It was a good introduction to what NANOG was all about.
  41. it was a great
  42. It was a well-managed discussion of a potentially difficult situation.
  43. It was interesting to hear about newnog.
  44. liked the open forum format
  45. lively, and useful for background.
  46. Lots of fun...
  47. Loud and cramped.
  48. More time needed
  49. more time, get more discussion - more than 10 minutes needed

need better way feedback of soliciting feedback from remote-attendees -- a jabber room was mentioned/requested, so perhaps for next time.

  1. nice, and fun
  2. Nice.
  3. No comment.
  4. No opinion, but would have been nice to have all of the presentation materials on line prior to it starting. great, it's getting so crowded though
  5. Not as contentious as I was expecting -- good.
  6. Not as painful as I had feared.
  7. Not sure what all the fuss is about related to "newnog", though I admit I'm not sure the SC has really considered how much work it will take to pull off these shows.
  8. oh yes the community meeting was very exciting. best in recent memory
  9. Oigh! Please stop technical people talking about "business", it's as painful as your boss trying to talk to a customer about how BGP works.
  10. previously answered
  11. Productive
  12. Quite nice.
  13. Reasonably constructive.
  14. relevant in community meeting, not sure resources should be spent on meeting space for bof - unless that space is already needed for something else
  15. Sad to see we lost money in Austin. Could have been more boring, but a nice level of adoption of the new direction. Hopefully the lack of major response means the Monday evening session will not be a major issue.
  16. sorry, missed it
  17. Such a bore. As a meeting attendee, I can appreciate the amount of effort that goes into organizing a Nanog meeting. However, it was a total waste of time to be walked through every nitty-gritty of the future nature of the NANOG as an organizatrion. It would have been much better to just email out those details in advance, and have people comment on those on the mailing list....with a time-cap on how long was actually spent in people needlessly venting-off in the meeting. I came to this meeting to have people talk about technical topics....
  18. The community meetings need to be scheduled with more time and either on Monday or Tuesday evening.
  19. They needed to release more planning data and vision data ahead of time.
  20. This was good. Discussing NANOG futures as NewNOG was a good use of this time.
  21. Thrilling!
  22. Travel day from East Coast - consider travel logistics on meeting dates when the meeting is not in the middle of the country.

Unfortunately, without the underlying background behind the interactions between Merit and Nanog, this sounded like the politics you'd see at a SciFi Con. Once I got the skinny from asking many many people it made more sense....but it paints the Nanog SC in a rather bad and amateur light from the surface data they were willing to give out.

  1. Very Good
  2. very good but the raffle draw was inaudible and most people missed it
  3. Very good. General endorsement from the community to just "get on with it"
  4. very handy. I enjoyed listening to Randy Bush
  5. Very interesting discussion around the transition.
  6. Very interesting discussion related to the current NANOG community.
  7. Very interesting in light of current events.
  8. Very interesting! Too much unsaid for political reasons.
  9. Very interesting. Good to air the discussion. Symbolic of the further divorce of Internet and Academia.
  10. Very usefuel
  11. was very well handled.
  12. Well presented (see previous survey.)
  13. Well presented. Good job presenting a useful summary of the transition, without getting into all the details meant for the later BoF.
  14. Well run, but surprisingly calm. Where was all of the outrage and anger? Where was the blood?
  15. What a bore....the entire time was spent on discussing/debating the new NANOG structure.
  16. would have liked to hear more hard data from Dr. Welch and the MERIT crew.

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  QUESTIONS ABOUT MONDAY EVENTS

M1. The Monday morning Newcomers' Breakfast

  1. Decent grub, clever way to mix people up.
  2. Delicious
  3. Enjoyed the breakfast. Even though this was my second Nanog I attended.
  4. excellent
  5. Excellent idea - got there a few minutes late and didn't hear the speaker. Was there one? It would be a good time to discuss the event, discuss highlights, do some interactive (ice breaker) like facilitation?
  6. Excellent job, great way to mix people.
  7. Excellent mixer and organized. Thank you to the hosts.
  8. Excellent. Met two very interesting people. Made a couple of great new contacts and made my first nanog meeting much more welcoming then I would have expected.
  9. fantastic. love the opportunity interact with new people and help them get the most out of the conference and community.
  10. Fnatastic. great free breakfast i have had in a long time
  11. good
  12. Good
  13. Good breakfast, though was missing some hot breakfast for veggies.
  14. Good event to get to know about nanog especially for the newcomer
  15. good food
  16. Good format.
  17. Good introduction, also the other newcomers.
  18. Good mingling. I met new folks, some of whom are first-time sponsors!
  19. Good one Nice break fast .
  20. Good social. Cards were a good strategy.
  21. Good start and friendly environment.
  22. Good venue for newcomer to get to know about NANOG.
  23. great
  24. Great breakfast, good info on the community and the roles within!
  25. great food; good opportunity to meet people
  26. Great info on the user's group and the role of Merit.
  27. Great opportunity to meet new attendees.
  28. Great setup.
  29. Great time. I met several newcomers there and had folks come up in the day since knowing I could help them find things or people.
  30. Great!
  31. Great. Met other first timers.
  32. Had a lot of Fun, Glad I got to come here. Hope to be here next year
  33. have not had breakfast yet.
  34. I enjoyed meeting new people, and learning about other NANOG attendees
  35. I'm missing toast :)
  36. Informative, and a nice way to meet people i would have otherwise not met
  37. Interesting, would have liked to have more time to introduce myself.
  38. It was great to meet new folks
  39. It was well organized.
  40. Its a good thing, but i would sugest to change the way its being done by changing the way the seating is being choose. the card systeme doesnt work very well .
  41. Liked it a lot :)
  42. Lots of food.
  43. Maybe more information (could be in paper/poster form) about organizational structure, functionality or goals of nanog.
  44. Much improved. However there should have been more information for newcomers about how to get the best out of the NANOG meeting - about the format of the meeting (general session talks, BoFs and tracks, beer and gear), the networking aspect of NANOG, hallway conversations and how those people lounging around outside of the hallways aren't skiving off, but are actually conducting serious business. Should also poll newcomers at each meeting as to how many of them are attending because they are local, and how many can only attend meetings that are local.

Newcomer's breakfast was good. Need a better room without so many visual obstructions to the viewers.

  1. Nice
  2. Nice quiet time to meet and talk to other people
  3. nice to put faces to names and meet other newcomers
  4. Nom.
  5. Perfect
  6. Perfect for what it was.
  7. Playing cards were not explained upon entry, but bfast was a good meet-n-greet none-the-less.
  8. sorry, missed it
  9. Stayed out too late to visit this morning....
  10. tasty, and allowed faces to names
  11. Thank you
  12. This was a great event for networking and the introduction to NANOG and the verbally presented opportunities for involvement were helpful
  13. This was effective. Quiet, good food, good conversations.
  14. This was not for the Newcomers breakfast but for the other breakfast. The Burritos did not say anything about cheese in the description but they clearly had cheese. This was a bummer due to I don't eat cheese. That being said. The bite I did eat made me SO miss cheese. ;)
  15. Thumbs up!
  16. Very Good
  17. Very Good
  18. Very good and well run
  19. Very good.
  20. Very good. met some good contacts
  21. Very nice, Folks were friendly to us newcommers
  22. Very well done. I liked the new format. Let's never do the old introduce everyone aver again.
  23. Very well run thank you
  24. Was missing the hot veggie stuff
  25. Was nicely organized.
  26. well attended and organised
  27. Well organised
  28. went to the wrong room and missed this
  29. yes. unfortunately the fruit was very sour

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M2. Monday's General Session presentations

  1. a+ paid attention
  2. All excellent. We need less on V6 though I think and more on other emerging technologies. It seems V6 has been beaten to death over the last few NANOG meetings.
  3. All the general session talks were excellent, with the possible exception of the home IPv6 presentation, which drifted into a marketing talk (esp. by the netgear fellow).
  4. All very informative and useful.
  5. Already commented on the high quality presentation from Vijay Gill about Worse is Better. Thought provoking and entertaining. What happened to the other advertised presenters about 1/8? Manish did a very good job with his analysis and his presentation. Did the others decide they had nothing to add? IPv6 at home panel was very interesting. Liked the presentation of network design alternatives w and w/o IPv6. IPv6 at Google: another interesting topic and well presented. IPv6 Routing Table: was interested to see that the AS relationships are different in v6.
  6. Appreciated the ipv6 talks.
  7. Concur with tweet on posting slides for download just in time for brief. Great informatrion, nice to be able to go back in the deck if the speaker is speeding through the ppt. Google keynote was exceptional. All morning briefs were excellent. Home networking update was interesting and prescient. Traffic matrices brief was too late in the day - tutorial-style briefs should be in the AM, and /or brown bag lunch session.
  8. enjoyable
  9. enjoyed it. got something out of the ipv6 talks, and the barriers to adoption. the netgear salesguy (salah) seemed out of place tho -- he could've presented his relavency better, IMO. jokes about "i need a cisco certification to understand what was just presented" were out of place. someone please encourage Allen Huotari to slow down and enunciate -- i was bummed i couldn't hear much of what he said, tho i wanted to.
  10. Everything went well today in general. It did started getting warm in the room. It was nice and cool in the morning, but when someone adjusted the temp it was too warm then. The only down part was during the IPv6 in the Home Panel. The presentation from the NetGear guy was not good at all. The Apple and Cisco presos were pretty good though. The Apple one went a little long which prevented a true panel discussion, but it was good if long.
  11. Excellent (3)
  12. Excellent - Keep the IPv6 info coming.
  13. Excellent & informative
  14. Excellent material, although a bit heavy of IPv6 for my tastes.
  15. Excellent. Vijay's presentation in particular was a stand out.
  16. Good (9)
  17. good apart from the Netgear guy.
  18. Good info
  19. Good information, very good to see how people are handling IPv6 and getting the attention on it that is needed.
  20. Good line up!
  21. Good stuff
  22. Good variety of talks.
  23. Good. I learned some good info.
  24. Good. People need to turn off their cell phones. Or if you answer, just walk out and then talk. Don't talk while you are walking out.
  25. Great Information! Good Stuff
  26. Great presentations (2)
  27. Great selection, nice talks about v6
  28. Great speakers.
  29. great stuff, liked Vijay's presentation best. Too many talks on IPv6 issues, there are other issues to discuss
  30. Great talks concerning IPv6
  31. Great! It was fascinating to see Mr. Gill's descriptions of the scale and type of problems that Google has to solve that I and my company never come near. :-) And I'm glad to see that Merit is making an effort to study each /8 before it's given out to the general public.
  32. Excellent talks. The "panel discussion" on IPv6 in the home, though, was not a Panel Discussion. It was three different vendor reps giving their individual visions on this topic (or vaguely related to this topic), with separate slides and prepared remarks, talking to the audience and not to one another! That is not a panel discussion, it's a PowerPoint competition. If there are panel discussions in the future, I want to see all the participants around a single semicircular table, talking politely to each other and interacting in response to audience questions.
  33. I felt they were all rather good.
  34. I had spotty coverage as I was running back and forth... Of the ones I saw: * Vijay's keynote was a good insight into Google's deployments. * John's review of ARIN was a great way to get up to speed. Learned alot with Renesys' great review of the problems with v6 prefixes. Over all, great info
  35. In general the sessions where informative and interactive.
  36. Interesting presentation of google
  37. Interesting topics -- particularly enjoyed "Worse is Better" and "1slash8".
  38. IPv6 by the vendors was fairly uninspiring. Routing trees for BGP was completely unintelligible
  39. IPv6 focus was nice covering all aspects including home user/consumer hardware and roll out.
  40. IPv6 presentations are painfully lame and useless, especially the Renesys and so far the IPv6 for the home. The Google presentation on IPv6
  41. was better organized, but still largely uninteresting.
  42. IPv6 presentations overall very useful, but would have rather seen more discussion from Comcast and less from the others on the panel.
  43. IPv6 presos were what I came for. Glad to hear core providers are moving along in deploying v6. The 1/8 study was fascinating stuff;
  44. we knew that space was polluted but not how polluted.

ipv6 sessions were good. Too much data and covered in too much hurry. I would have like to have little less data but cover it properly.

  1. Key Note was very good!
  2. Keynote good, v6 enablement panel a disappointment, too much marketing, little content
  3. Keynote was good, 1/8 was good, [email protected] was good, Building Traffic Matrices to Support Peering Decisions was good.
  4. Keynote was great, as was the 1/8 and IPv6 presos. It's unfortunate that Apple doesn't actually let people talk about anything, and
  5. the Netgear preso was essentially content free.
  6. Keynote was kinda funny, but not terribly informative.
  7. Keynote: Worse Is Better: Interesting, amusing, well presented Good to hear about IPv6 in action rather than about deployment like
  8. Looking for more tech data
  9. Loved Vijay's keynote. Was a great start to a solid presentation line up for the day.
  10. mostly excellent; the NetGear preso on the IPv6 enablement in the home panel was VERY much a sales pitch -- NOT APPRECIATED!
  11. Mostly good
  12. Mostly good :)
  13. mostly great. netgear was a little out of place, but nice to see them participating
  14. Mostly worthwhile....
  15. My only comment is the v6 panel was a bit heavy on the vendor side, particularly with the gentleman from NetGear.
  16. No specific comment but the overall session was good.
  17. Nothing of value
  18. One of the stronger morning presentation blocks.
  19. Overall Good. sore point was the IPv6 in the home panel. the Apple presenter good, the netgear presenter was bad.
  20. Overall pretty good. Enjoyed the keynote.
  21. Overall very good.
  22. ppresentations were very good and focused
  23. Pretty good stuff.
  24. Seems to be a lot of vendor pitches, especially during the IPv6-in-the-home presentation. I don't come here to buy products, I come
  25. here to learn what others are doing and how they're doing it.
  26. some very very good talks - the keynote was fantastic
  27. the content was good. lots of presentations from google.
  28. The IPv6 in the Home was variable. The Netgear guy was appalling and didn't deserve to be here.
  29. The keynote given by Vijay was great.
  30. The keynote was well delivered and had significant interesting information and perspective. Good choice. The 1slash8 information was
  31. interesting and useful.
  32. The Monday presentations were good, with the exception of the first IPv6 talk with the vendors.
  33. The talks from Vijay and Lorenzo was excellent. 1/8 preso provided some interesting data
  34. There were good..nicely ipv6 focussed
  35. This wasn't especially exciting.
  36. Thoroughly enjoyed Vijay Gills presentation on simplification of infrastructure and the update of IPv6 on the global net.
  37. useful, variously entertaining (vijay), educative (lorenzo), interesting (the 1/8 preso)...
  38. v6 session after lunch.. too markety, need a better method for handling panels
  39. Valuable
  40. Very good
  41. Very good overall. Enjoyed Vijay's presentation.
  42. very good. the google presentation was informative
  43. Very good. The google presentations were both excellent.
  44. very helpful. Would be useful if slides were posted.
  45. Very Informative Google's keynote was informative and humerous. Didn't care too much regarding IPV6
  46. Very informative. (2)
  47. Very useful
  48. was good
  49. Were ok.

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M3. Monday Track Session: NANOG Transition Plan

  1. Again, very interesting given what's going on. However there still seems to be a lack of context. as good as could have been expected
  2. AWESOME. I think the committee was well prepared and took criticisms well, constructive or not (!).
  3. Awkward
  4. Bikeshed. You guys need to talk to Ray Peletier at ISOC/IETF ... he could provide specific budget numbers from a similar event.
  5. Budget details was a waste of time, should have had more time to discuss Bigger Picture items
  6. Chaotic
  7. diverted attendance from technical bofs. bad.
  8. Excelent
  9. fine
  10. Glad to finally see the financials. Sorry some people tried to hog the mic instead of making substantial suggestions and questions.
  11. Good (4)
  12. Good but needed more moderation.
  13. Good control of a contentious topic
  14. Good info
  15. Good. Well needed by the community. I liked how the meeting was kept on track.
  16. Good. Well run by Steve. Looking for more information.
  17. Have an open discussion
  18. I think the transition plan is going well and making progress.
  19. important subject, would have recommended not sharing the whole budget as engineers love nothing more than picking apart numbers!
  20. informative
  21. Interesting
  22. (mostly) respectful, healthy debate. the steering committee were open to listening to suggestions and good at structuring the discussion.
  23. non-bill discussions were very encouraging. it was kinda fascinating witnessing history in action.
  24. not too good
  25. Once again a good introduction to the issues currently in NANOG
  26. PAINFUL - make the pain stop!! Seriously just do what other external organisations do at this point; have a case 'for' and a case 'against' and get someone external to run the vote using the standard eligible voters list. In the UK we'd use the Electoral Reform Society, but I'm sure there's an equivalent.
  27. Remarkably bloodless. It succumbed to the bikeshed problem, but that was inevitable.
  28. Same as Sunday meeting. Where are the materials that were presented?
  29. Session went well. I'll support things. I don't think the financial plan has been given enough due diligence though. Way too much reliance on some large sponsorships that I just don't think will happen. While we need to figure out a way to create a base level of funds, I think will be hard to do so relying on these large Bronze/Silver/Gold sponsorships. The pessimistic view should have included $0 coming from those, not just limited to 1 and 2 of each category. I think that is the more likely scenario unless the board already has the 1 and 2 lined up.
  30. Some sparks, but seemed reasonable progress.
  31. Still no detail as to the gating event making this necessary. While the session was OK, the need for the transition is still questionable and nothing has been offered as to how NANOG will be better after the transition.
  32. The pro forma budget was interesting to see, and overall it looks like the NewNOG board has the situation in hand.
  33. This very interesting
  34. This was the first time I heard about the transition plan. I was glad to be able to catch up with this important topic.
  35. To the point and concise.
  36. Too much time was spent arguing over accuracy of numbers. Dan attempted at first by disclosing it was just a pro-forma, but someone needed to step up and say let's move on, you don't like it don't be a member..
  37. Useful to hear about NANOG's new direction, but the comments section being dominated by Randy Bush got tired quickly.
  38. Very good, the people up on stage were skilled at using the ban hammer.
  39. Very informative -- kudos to the transition team for the work they've done so far.
  40. very interesting discussion
  41. Very interesting.
  42. Well run considering the Topic.
  43. Who cares?
  44. would benefited from less duplication of sunday's slides, more interactivity. open the floor to participants early, ask for show of hands or comments on specific issues, etc.

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M4. Monday Track Session: Best Current Practices

  1. A good brainstorm on how to structure a BCP library.
  2. Could use more structure. Content was good, though.
  3. didn't go, but heard it was hella dry
  4. Eh...it turned from something I was really excited to hear about to people painting the bikeshed and talking about ITIL. Aaron just needs to roll the docs out and let people have their way with it, then figure out where the BCP fits.
  5. Enjoyed it
  6. Excellent (2)
  7. good
  8. Good discuassion
  9. Good discussions, could have needed a bit more moderation.
  10. Good stuff, great idea, though will be tough to get consensus on how to implement. Best bet is to just do it, get something in place, then call for suggestions/refinements
  11. great
  12. Great idea - I hope policy doesn't slowdown this project. KISS
  13. Hopefully this step will get us closer to getting something online
  14. I thought this was going to be Best Current Practices of other, larger, more experienced ISPs and network operators, which would then help me, a small network operator, to work better in my job. Instead, it was a forum on what would be the best way for the community to write Best Current Practices documents and where to store them. This was a fairly unhelpful title, at least to me; in retrospect, I would have attended the security track.
  15. Interesting - went around in circles a little bit.
  16. Interesting discussion. BCP is a good idea, I think that openness of the discussion of a BCP and the validation of a doc (by industry leaders) are important.
  17. Interesting.
  18. IPv6 panel was excellent.
  19. n/a would like to have attended.
  20. This was very useful and a great idea. Kudos to Aaron.
  21. Valuable forum.. good idea
  22. Very good
  23. very interesting idea, hope this takes off and is used by many
  24. very useful
  25. Was more of a BoF/discussion on next steps to make a site happen than I was expecting (anticipated more discussion around what actual BCPs were). Found it very informative, joined a new group in hopes of helping. Felt that I could contribute.
  26. yawn

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M5. Monday Track Session: ISP Security

  1. Always a good time...
  2. Always useful.
  3. Awesome! Secret Service guy was cool
  4. Did not attend, though I was told it was "lively" WRT china and i-root issues.
  5. DNS presentations was very good - the other's a bit mixed. Moderator should probably have controlled the discussion a bit more DNSSEC related talks were relevant and on topic, but felt that the 'KARP' related one was less a talk but a plea to validate the speaker ...
  6. Enjoyed it
  7. enjoyed the mixed set of presenters and questions.
  8. excellent (2)
  9. Fiesty!
  10. Good (2)
  11. Good info
  12. Good..lot of disagreements from participants and back & forth arguments. have not attended yet.
  13. I attended this. it was so-so.
  14. I would expect more topics about DNSSEC validation enabling at ISP site - problems/solutions
  15. informative
  16. Interest give and take between veterans.
  17. Interesting
  18. Interesting discussions on botnet attribution and detection activity.
  19. Interesting quarrels.
  20. Interesting topics and spirited discussions!
  21. Learned a lot on botnet detection and prevention
  22. Looking forward to it
  23. Loved it! There were some spirited disagreements but it benefited me to hear about people's concrete experiences and real-world situations.
  24. loved it, especially the crotchety network operators and the lively discussion
  25. loved this. it was fun. especiallly all the crotchety network operators.
  26. mediocre
  27. Moderator let the forum become too wild.
  28. n/a would like to have attended.
  29. need more tech data.
  30. needed to be longer
  31. nice discussions on I-Root :) "Investigating Botnets and Current Attribution Feasibility" was interesting to hear.
  32. Not enough time/too many speakers.
  33. Not webcast :-(
  34. One of the best sesions in this NANOG yet..
  35. only caught the beginning...it was useful...but got pulled away by an outage.
  36. Pretty good.
  37. Some valuable information
  38. Some very interesting talk and even more interesting discussion with the community wrt the IETF routing protocol key management work and the I-root problem from China. There was an interesting talk about the Prisem project (facilitating cooperation and communication among local communities of security info), but it got less discussion than it could have used. Perhaps forum organizers could be encouraged to have some discussion-priming questions prepared, just in case. The Cymru presentation had a plea for help but no real suggestions of how or what help would be useful. Sort of a "we're out of ideas, hope you have some ideas" theme.
  39. The presentation on the issues with the i-root was the most interesting presentation and provided for good audience interaction and discussion.
  40. the presentation was good but there should always be mic to ask question to help peaple to keep up.
  41. There was no audience microphone in the room, which caused interesting but unstructured conversations.
  42. This devolved into discussions of DNS security and a bit on Botnets that was ok.
  43. This session was lively and excellent. The work presented on botnets was especially interesting, although the other discussions about the pros/cons of securing routing protocols was also entertaining and thought-provoking. time limits were not imposed/followed, slightly unprofessional and impassioned discussion dominated. Request the organizer to better "enforce" or establish standards for presentation of controversial topics.
  44. Too much stuff. Needed more facilitation to keep on track - exceedingly important track. Would be interested in expanding it with an issue presentation juxtaposed with a real-world application experience (lessons learned) brief. Example: DNSSEC ... followed by ISP X's experience deploying DNSSEC.
  45. Tough audience!
  46. Useful
  47. Very good discussion, absent Randy completely taking Joel's KARP objectives off the rails without considering the whole point of why Joel was there in the first place - i.e., to get feedback from operators.
  48. Very lively!
  49. Very useful
  50. Very useful, very interesting discussion, specially the KARP and Accidentally Importing Censorship.

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M6. Beer 'n Gear!

  1.  
  2. A good time, as always.
  3. Alot of fun
  4. As usual this was a great event
  5. Awesome as always. I think the room was a little small and made things uncomfortable. I would like to see the room size grow and allow for more vendors to participate.
  6. Awesome. Great networking event
  7. Beer Good...
  8. Beer is always good.
  9. Beer was good.
  10. Beer! (2)
  11. Bigger room needed. More vendors needed. Beer plentiful, thanks!
  12. Can't wait
  13. Cool! :)
  14. Decent beer and decent gear. Food was great. A slightly bigger room would have been helpful, however, since I often found myself struggling to move around (and I'm no Andre the Giant).
  15. Delicious fancy food and drink! Very loud, but that's OK. Good representatives explaining useful things about their gear... I wish I had gotten more time with the Cariden people.
  16. Did not attend (I hate trade shows)
  17. did not attend due to jetlag :)
  18. Duh!
  19. Excellent (2)
  20. Excellent as always!
  21. excellent show by the vendors. Good and informative. The vendors might step up their "tech" a bit in terms of deep dives, instead of sending as many sales guys. e.g. the sunday night private party (dyn and silent partner) was more technically useful to me. I don't come for the giveaways, but want to meet the crew from the vendors at beer-n-geer if possible. Perhaps we could adopt a "very low key" 'bar code scan' for contact info like other conferences. That would need to be maintained very very low key by the vendors, but could produce a much better result for them and "I" as the customer.
  22. Excellent sponsors, good gear. Nice to see some resellers come and get their time.
  23. Food was good. Vendors were good.
  24. Free Beer!!
  25. Fun (3)
  26. fun as usual. such a small room though
  27. Fun event
  28. Good (4)
  29. good but the room was a bit small for the scale of the event
  30. Good event to meet other peers through the beers!!!
  31. good food and beer.
  32. Good food and drinks. Quality of the food best so far. But not much of Gear (freebies). Room was very small. Bumped into each other many times. Overall fantastic opportunity for networking.
  33. Good food selection, and some of the tables had interesting gear.
  34. Good Food! Wished Cisco/Juniper had come with more hardware to show off.
  35. Good opportunity to find out what gear was out there
  36. Good snacks!
  37. Good social
  38. good time, good vendors
  39. Good to see what vendors had on display and product specification
  40. good, although I think the various vendors should have had more visible displays....with the size of the room, it was not easy to determine who had what area.....Maybe the vendors should have brought more gear? Should there be a set of gear actually running and operating?
  41. good, as always.
  42. Good, as usual.
  43. Good. I would have like to seen more vendors. Seems like the same old folks and same old gear.
  44. great as always
  45. great event
  46. Great food, great socializing
  47. great food, very crowded
  48. Great food.
  49. Great network opportunity for me to meet vendors and peers. Wonderful food, good beer. Surprised at the amount of people there and the shwag from the vendors. Wish I could have stayed longer.
  50. Great networking event
  51. great networking event
  52. Great to mix with vendors and see their latest stuff.
  53. great variety of vendors
  54. Great way to mingle and talk with all different people. A bit loud and small area.
  55. Great! (3)
  56. Great. Food was exceptionally good.
  57. Harder to talk to vendors this year -- crowded.
  58. i went. but i'm an introvert and don't like crowds much.i might've lasted longer if there'd been air circulation -- bring in fans to at least keep it moving? food was good. i drink alcohol, but i wonder how many recovering and non-recovering alcoholics are here, facing the dearth of alcohol.
  59. i went. but i'm an introvert and don't like crowds much.i might've lasted longer if there'd been air circulation -- bring in fans to at least keep it moving? food was good. i drink alcohol, but i wonder how many recovering and non-recovering alcoholics are here, facing the dearth of alcohol.
  60. It was a best time to see new gears and meet with other attendees
  61. it was a nice event, social in that case was perfect . nothing to say
  62. It was nice to have it
  63. More Juniper shirts needed. Otherwise was great!
  64. Need more vendors
  65. Nice!
  66. Not a lot of gear this time around.
  67. OK, only one of the vendors had an interesting display setup
  68. okay
  69. Over crowded and very few vendors.
  70. Room too small
  71. Room was a bit small
  72. Room was a little crowded, otherwise pretty good
  73. Room was a little packed, however atmosphere allowed interaction between operators and vendors.
  74. room was loud, difficult to talk to people
  75. space was a bit small at peak but otherwise very nice and much appreciated
  76. Spoke to various vendors about relevant devices for my network and got some good information about devices I will likely purchase. stuck in an outage. :(
  77. This was a great time
  78. This was fine, but as a social function introductions were tough to come by.
  79. Too crowded (2)
  80. Too few freebies from the vendors
  81. Useful
  82. Usual good selection of beer and sponsors - what happened to NTT?
  83. very good
  84. very good. would recommend water available too. nice job.
  85. Very interesting gear presentations. Food was very very good and plentiful. I don't drink so I can't comment on the beer part. :-)
  86. Very well attended.
  87. Very well attended. Great food.
  88. Way too loud, way too hot. Putting a bunch of router and server equipment into a room with hundreds or people is unbearable.
  89. we need mo betta beer!
  90. well done, better-than-average food selection!
  91. Well organized, enough food, good food. Well done!
  92. What's not to like about free beer and food? :)
  93. Wonderful food selection, good selection of vendors.
  94. woohoo
  95. Wow; what nice food. Thanks for the not-fried, healthier options!
  96. Yay
  97. Yummy and knowledgeable vendor participation.

M7. Any general comments about your experience at the meeting thus far?

  1. 2nd largest NANOG attendee list, yaaaa!
  2. A great mix of people, relevant topics and an enjoyable experience.
  3. A+++ would attend again!
  4. All good thus far, very nice job by Netflix folk!
  5. Coffee in the breaks is, so far, hideous. It's been stewed to hell, and the milk is running out and not being replenished. Also there's no natural light in the circulation areas outside of the ballroom, consider this when choosing future venues, it's nice to see a bit of daylight occasionally, even as a network engineer who sits in a darkened room normally.
  6. dns IS sexy, isn't it?
  7. Giving incentives for survey is a very good idea !
  8. good agenda and some interesting topics looking forward to.
  9. good agenda, good show!
  10. good so far
  11. good time so far
  12. Good times. I still wish NANOG would be consistent with the hotel chain chosen. Further, fully non-smoking hotels suck.
  13. good work
  14. great first few talks for monday!
  15. great program.
  16. great so far.
  17. Great socials so far,,,,,we need to keep that going.
  18. Great venue, great city.
  19. great venue.
  20. Holy crap its cold in the main room.
  21. Hotel is gorgeous.
  22. I wish I could go to all of them.
  23. if possible have the presentation pdf/ppt in advance
  24. IMHO we don't need the venue air-conditioned that hard.
  25. Impressed
  26. it's almost too big, cuts down on meeting the core people, but it's great to see so many involved
  27. It's been great, but the Startlight Room was too small for this large a crowd and all of the booze with no food probably made ofr some very unhappy people on Monday morning. (Yes, I realize that this is not directly a NANOG issue.)
  28. It's my first time...excellent
  29. Looks good.
  30. Loving it so far.
  31. Needs to be more power strips due to greedy people bringing multiple laptops and screens. I had to be a jerk more than once and call them on their BS, but people expect unlimited power these days.
  32. Nicely done agenda handouts. However, minor scope for improvement: The agenda handouts would have looked even better if the presentation topics were more prominently written for each talk....rather than sit embedded underneath the time, and venue.
  33. Off to a good start! Really enjoy NANOG and this seems a fine one so far.
  34. Overall, pretty good.
  35. Pretty good so far.
  36. San Francisco is an expensive city to walk around in, at least from my perspective -- I live in Charlottesville, a smallish city in Virginia. I guess I should expand my horizons, rather than asking the city to change for me, but it's been painful trying to feed my family. Excellent public transport, though, wow!!
  37. Signage for rooms could be improved
  38. Slides are not getting posted quickly. :-( good for the remote participants and those of us in the room with bas eyes.
  39. so far it is a great meeting
  40. So far it's been excellent.
  41. So far, so good. (4)
  42. Sunday night social was great
  43. Temperature in Grand Room is very cold. People are coughing and putting on shirts
  44. thanks! well organized
  45. The content has been very good so far. Good Job to the PC.
  46. The hotel network is not aimed at 500+ NANOGers. It's sllllooooowwww. nanoga works well :)
  47. The wireless is kinda broken
  48. Transportation section of the NANOG 49 web page is not accurate. 1. BART is the Bay Area Rapid Transit 2. Fare from San Francisco airport is $8.10 3. Take Pittsburg/Bay Point train to Powell Street
  49. Very good
  50. Very good meeting thus far.
  51. Very impressed.
  52. very nice location. Unfortunately, starlight room event was a cash bar, so did not stay, otherwise, very easy check-in, and good facilities.
  53. Very useful so far.
  54. well organized. fundamentals good: network connectivity; presenter materials available on-line; venue seating adequate, sound system okay. would be good for streamed presentations to have a jabber room, etc. for remote attendees to ask questions of the presenter. from a green(er) perspective i appreciate water coolers versus water bottles!
  55. Well organized. The Grand ballroom is well set up; network, power, audio, and visuals are good.
  56. Well run so far
  57. Well set up and run.
  58. Well, the Sunday night reception kind of stunk. If you're going to say, "open bar until 10PM," I don't want to show up at 9:20 and have to pay $8 for a *bottle* of Anchor Steam. Come on! If you're going to place a cap on the "open" bar, then tell us up-front or give us all tickets for a single free drink. DNS may be sexy (actually, it is), but bait-and-switch is not. I had a better time at the hotel Clock Bar, which has real cocktails and real bartenders.
  59. Would like to attend again. Excellent topics for talks.

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T1. Tuesday's General Session presentations

  1. 802.1aq very liked. Research girl on filtering did a good job. ASIC talk: great material/topic, bad presenter. Should re-attempt this with somone more engaging at Juniper. ASICs - The Heart of Modern Routers was a good start, need more of these.How Secure are Secure BGP Protocols was good. ASICS presentation seemed off-track. Consider focusing on product selection, architecture issues, etc. good info and well presented but network operators do not build switches. BGP security presentation - would have loved more time for this presentation. Haiti - would have liked more lessons learned information.
  2. Better than Monday; a lot of useful topics I am interested in.
  3. BGP Sec! yay
  4. BGP talks were great
  5. Enjoyed the BGP presentations
  6. Enjoyed the Haiti IX presentation
  7. Excellent (2)
  8. Excellent in general.
  9. Excellent! Loved the ASIC talk and the Large Leak Detection, and also Shortest Path Bridging.
  10. Generally interesting. Content typically interesting, but presentation shaky and often causes loss of concentration or interest.
  11. Generally pretty strong this day, the ASIC preso ran a little long and may not be that interesting to most operators.
  12. Good (4)
  13. Good - especially the Secure BGP research. The lightning talks needed stronger stewarding/chairing to keep the agenda to time.
  14. Good and bAd
  15. Good content
  16. Good intro
  17. Good line up. Nice mix of research and in use talks.
  18. Good overall.
  19. good selection
  20. Good session just had some delays on pdf archives
  21. good talks. great to hear about Haiti. Sharon Goldberg's talk particularly clear. good bgp discussions all day. Carlos Vicente's lightning talk helpful
  22. Good. not as good as monday's though
  23. Great
  24. Great content
  25. Great sessions.
  26. great stuff. enjoyed the researchy talks even when they weren't always particularly practical.
  27. Great variety of topics.
  28. Great!
  29. How Secure are Secure BGP Protocols was a great presentation - really liked all the routing security preso's. v6 Preso's were good, but was surprised when the Netgear presentation turned into an ad for their gear.
  30. I especially liked the ASIC presentation, and the Haiti session was interesting as well
  31. I found all of the BGP discussions to be presented nicely.
  32. Informative
  33. Interesting
  34. It's Tuesday morning and I want to comment on Mondays presentations. Please fix the survey to allow for comments on the day before.
  35. Also, this is asking for comments on Wed in the future! Please please please please split these into 3 surveys.
  36. like the asic presentation
  37. liked the secursty talks
  38. Missed most of the. Hallway track
  39. Morning sessions were quite intersting - ASIC and Haiti presentations were the most interesting
  40. Most useful for me was the NetDot lightning talk. I also liked "How Secure is BGP?"
  41. Mostly good
  42. Need more v6 content
  43. Netdot, wide BGP communities, dot1aq, and enterprise QOS were great. RPKI for route validation looks to be very useful once deployed.
  44. Not as useful as Monday, but the BGP hijack talk was good.
  45. Not quite as good as some others. 802.1aq went on too long, ASICs wasn't that compelling, didn't go into the interesting areas, too high level overview. Enterprise QoS was kind of interesting though.
  46. Ok.
  47. pretty good stuff
  48. Pretty good, though i question the benefit of talks about how to configure routers by showing IOS command line instructions on the
  49. powerpoint slides. I suspect the expectations of a talk at NANOG may be rising :)
  50. Pretty good. The BGP presos were EXCELLENT.
  51. Program Committee is doing great!!
  52. Really good.
  53. Secure routing policy preso is good.
  54. Sharon Goldberg's BGPSec presentation was very interesting and informative. I was previously unaware of the impact BGPSec protocols might have on traffic routing, et al.
  55. solid, nicely done
  56. Some harder to follow than others, but all interesting at times. General highlights were the BGP security and 802.1aq, but the absolute highlight was Sharon G's talk on "How Secure are Secure BGP Protocols?"
  57. The ASIC presentation from Chang-Hong Wu and the Lightning Talks were great.
  58. The ASIC presentation was great. The researcher from BU had an interesting presentation.
  59. The ASIC talk was very very under it's audience...so it largely wasted our time. The haiti talk was good Securing BGP protocols was putting numbers to best practices that have been around for 15 years....well the prefix and asn filtering on customers part anyway....so it's interesting, but I questions it's value. The lightening talks and .1aq were good. The google enterprise qos talk was a waste of time.
  60. The BGP security talks were excellent. The other talks were of mixed value and quality, but on balance still worth attending. the haiti ixp talk was very good. the afternoon talks on securing bgp, stub prefix filtering, route leak detection, and roa/rpki were very useful.
  61. The Haiti recovery panel and Sharon Goldberg's presentation on BGP security were both very good presentations.
  62. The IPv6 talks were actually very good. Content from Google Excellent
  63. The lightning talks sucked.
  64. the s*BGP stuff had potential but lacked operational substance and reasonable conclusions. in general, the content selections were interesting, but the presentations were lacking in polish
  65. The talks about route filtering were a little more basic ("if we filter things will get better"), and a few of the presenters were quite .. monotone. The lady presenter had better data & better presentation than the other.

There was a lot of good information to digest. The series of talks on BGP route leaks and security was very good, but there was some overlap that could have been avoided with better coordination or perhaps by starting with an overview of secure BGP options and RPKI/ROA. things ran a little late.

  1. This is Good information. Glad I came here
  2. Unfortunately, I hit the survey link a little late to get my Monday feedback in, so this is combined feedback; Monday, the google optical network presentation kicked ass (in general, Monday was a really good day for presentations). Tuesday, the 802.1aq presentation was interesting, and the netdot talk was such a teaser, I want to know so much more about it!
  3. Very good
  4. Very good day in general. ASIC presentation started a bit slow but some good stuff in the end. Haiti panel extremely interesting.Sharon Goldberg really made BGP sexy! Nice to see Huawei being on the panel with an interesting preso.
  5. Very good with great information
  6. very informative
  7. very interesting. good speakers
  8. Very interesting. I particularly liked the three papers about security in BGP/routing.
  9. Very useful.
  10. Was ok
  11. While the ASIC presentation was well-presented, if somewhat slanted, presentation of the reality of ASICs, I am not sure how much utility it really had. The BGP security / leaking presentations were a good set. It is inevitable, but unfortunate, that it was not possible for there to be more disucssion about whether the various assumptions were usesful or meaningless, and why.

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T2. Tuesday Peering Track

  1. A little less structured, and it worked well. (lots of IX updating)

business as usual :)

  1. Enjoyable as always, but one note...if the number of IXs represented at NANOG continues to increase, it might be good to break out the IX updates from the peering track (as it used to be.)
  2. Enjoyable/informative as always
  3. Entertaining as usual.
  4. Excelent
  5. Excellent on the AIX input.
  6. Excellent. Good to hear about where folks are and what is going on. The IPv6 peering was also interesting to see the current state of thing. The debate on peering vs transit was a bit preaching to the choir.
  7. Fantastic session although IXP's could do more effort in their slides.
  8. For me, a good intro to the peering community.
  9. Fun as always.
  10. Fun.
  11. good
  12. good as always
  13. Good, but has been slightly better in the past. The "not a debate" was a little flat.
  14. Good. Glad that the meeting room was spacious and was able to accommodate all the attendees comfortably.
  15. Great info, I think the "not a debate" needed some more rehearsal as I feel it could have generated more discussion if the 2 presenters didn't simply agree on a point. Additional time may have been beneficial to the discussion as well.
  16. Great work on the peering session. Enjoyed the transit vs. peering dialog.
  17. Great, as always
  18. Great. Well run. Good work by the moderator. Equinix presentation was too salesy though, but I do recognise the importance of communicating the S&D/EQIX integration work to the userbase, it's a tough balancing act.
  19. I didn't attend it
  20. I liked the presentation on value peering. A bit theoretical though.
  21. Interesting, relevant as Peering Coordinator.
  22. It was a good event to get an update about peering
  23. It was nice to get an update from all of the exchanges
  24. IX Updates are always useful Missed the individual networks announcing their peering updates
  25. jon did a *fantastic* job of making the peering forum much more accessible to newcomers--explaining jargon and terms and really just making the whole community clearer.
  26. Less cake than usual.
  27. More background info for the newbies' benefit would be valuable
  28. most important track
  29. My first time watching Peering... quite fascinating and educational.
  30. Nice roundtable format, beneficial.
  31. ok
  32. Peering Rocks. IX updates were very useful
  33. Peering track flowed very well and was better lead than others.
  34. Sales event for ixes and peering forum. Not as fun as it used to be.
  35. Seemed very popular, standing room only.
  36. Shipman did a good job organizing the session.
  37. Too much hand-waving and promotion. Should focus more on *technical* issues related to peering. Also, WBN is completely disrespectful and out of line, could we ban him please?
  38. Unfortunately, had a meeting from 4-5, so I ended up missing it. :(
  39. very entertaining and productive. well done, jon!
  40. Very good way to get my name out there and to know what is going on with all of the IX's.
  41. Very informative (2)
  42. Very useful.
  43. Was fun moderating.
  44. was not able to attend
  45. was very good
  46. Worst peering for

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T3. Tuesday Research Forum

  1. Attended the Peering and DNSSEC presentations. They were informative, but not very relevant for me. Good food for thought DNSSEC presentations was very good.
  2. dnssec, excellent.
  3. Excellent. (2)
  4. good
  5. Good overall information, some purely academic of little value
  6. Good session
  7. Good stuff
  8. Good. The DNSSEC visualizer was the best part of the track.
  9. Great information
  10. I did not attend this forum
  11. I didn't attend it
  12. I enjoyed the presentations on BGP
  13. I'd had high hopes for this..but it wasn't very interesting. The DNSSec visualization was interesting, but really only for it's 'neat' value.
  14. Inspiring, keep on doing this! :)
  15. Interesting but nothing *really* groundbreaking - seems like academics are figuring out on their own a lot of stuff that people already do.
  16. Interesting topics including route diversity.
  17. Interesting.
  18. it was ok. got the most out of 802.1aq .. help give me options out of STP
  19. liked this a lot
  20. More great information
  21. Most talks were interesting, although somewhat esoteric.
  22. Not interesting.
  23. ok
  24. Presos were generally OK. If you're going to change the order it would be nice to track in realtime either in the room (an ordered list of upcoming with times) or on the webpage.
  25. short talks was a very good idea
  26. Some very interesting presentations. The DNSSEC visualization was particularly interesting to see.
  27. The BGP talks were great
  28. The eyeP talk could have been really useful, if it had showed more of the drilldown into specific ASes; less general high-level explanation, it was pretty intuitive, so that part of the talk dragged on, and he didn't really have any time to go into the drilldown demonstration.
  29. The researchers clearly need to reach out to the community to understand the complexity of the issues before trying to make 9 assumptions that have little or no bearing on reality.
  30. These were an itneresting collection of presentations.
  31. Thought this was a good selection of presentations, and about the right length. I didn't agree with everything presented, but that's to be expected.
  32. Very educational overall.
  33. Very good.

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W1. Wednesday's General Session presentations

  1. 1st part wireless was great knowing the challenges were solved and how they did it.
  2. both so far have been very good
  3. Couldn't tell from title what "Layer 0" means
  4. Enjoyed RF talk I can now make the case for fiber scopes
  5. excellent (2)
  6. Excellent as usual
  7. excellent so far
  8. Excellent, particularly "Inspect before you connect"
  9. Farallon Islands completely fascinating! Thanks!
  10. Farallon Islands presentation was cool :)
  11. Farallon presentation, excellent. Layer 0 good info
  12. Farallons talk was great.
  13. Fiber guy was really good
  14. god so far.
  15. good
  16. Good sessions
  17. Good stuff. Need to work on keeping things on time.
  18. good wrap up content, interesting topics for the final day
  19. great farallons talk. Lightning talks always helpful!
  20. Great island talk
  21. Great Slides so far!
  22. Great wifi
  23. great, it's interesting to see stuff like the farallon islands stuff
  24. Haven't seen them yet :-)
  25. I like the break from a more technical stand point
  26. I missed my chances at the first two drawings by waiting too long to hit the survey link; not gonna let that happen today, so I'm getting my survey in *early!*
  27. Informative and in depth
  28. Interesting wireless job to Farrallon Island.
  29. Interesting wireless presentation
  30. Lok the fiber presentation - good basics that everyone doing field work NEEDs to know.
  31. Love the wireless presentation - good local content.
  32. Morning - snoring...
  33. Nice to have the local content.
  34. Nice to see some RF presentation on NANOG - we need more of that
  35. Of course, I like ours (Farallons) but wish I had more time. :-) The fiber talk on clean connectors was great. Drive home what we knew but good to hear it again.
  36. ok
  37. So far its great
  38. So far so good. (2)
  39. The discussion of the realities and difficulties of physical connectivity for optics is a good presentation, given well.
  40. The Farallon Islands talk was really good... showing network engineers doing what they do best.
  41. The Farallon wireless talk was great and interesting.
  42. The Farrallones wireless talk has been one of the better talks of the whole conference.
  43. The fiber cleaning presentation said a lot of things that seemed obvious, but
  44. The information presented in the wireless discussion will be very useful later this year for me as I have a similar project
  45. The one on fiber smacks of a vendor presentation.
  46. The presentation "Inspect Before You Connect" by Tyler Vander Ploeg (JDSU) was probably the most educational so far.
  47. They are informative
  48. too many slides on the wireless presentation, but in general quite interesting.
  49. Uh, it's only Wednesday now, but so far, this first one is good!
  50. very interesting, esp. the wireless preso
  51. Wireless presentation was fantastic, thanks. Not sure what to make of the JDSU presentation yet...it's either marketing, or useful.
  52. Wireless was very useful, as was fiber talk.

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  GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETING

G1. A few questions about social media:

Yes

No

Response Count

Have you tweeted about this NANOG meeting at Twitter.com?

12.8%(38)

87.2% (260)

298

Have you commented about this NANOG meeting at any other social media site?

28.6% (85)

71.4% (212)

297

Have you searched for comments about this NANOG meeting at Twitter.com?

19.1% (57)

80.9% (241)

298

Are you a member of the NANOG Facebook group?

35.3% (104)

64.7% (191)

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G2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list [email protected]?

Yes

79.1% (235)

No

20.9% (62)

If you answered No, why not?

  1. 1st time attending, will sign up.
  2. Didn't know but will now. First timer
  3. First Nanog, still getting my feet wet.
  4. Follow on archives
  5. I am at my first meeting and have not signed up yet.
  6. I am planning to do it now after seeing the benefits of it.
  7. I check out the archives several times a day
  8. I did several years ago and received too much email, though it was interesting. I'll give it another try.
  9. I didn't know about it
  10. I didn't know about it, and until now, hadn't thought to look for such a list ...
  11. I do, but I filter it because it is way too noisy.
  12. I look at the archives
  13. I look at the archives every now and then. Low level of content that I'm interested in.
  14. I need a larger capacity email account due to the volume of email I imagine is generated. I minimally keep-up with the small volume of email I currently receive.
  15. i read the archives (2)
  16. i read the archives.... too much email to look at already.
  17. I read the NANOG mail via the nanog mailing list archive.
  18. I'm not from USA. I attend this mainly to learn about trends, and new technologies/protocols/etc so I can try to implement them in my ISP (located in Costa Rica). I think I'll subscribe in the future, at least to have a reader role.
  19. It's enough to look to archives once in a time
  20. Migrated e-mail addresses and forgot to re-subscribe
  21. MLC (the CC) needs to drop moar ban hammer on people like randy and guilaiume FORTAINE.
  22. n00bie
  23. Need to do so. (2)
  24. Never subscribed.
  25. no real reason, just haven't done it yet.
  26. no reason
  27. not enough time to keep up or even sift through
  28. Not enough time to keep up or sift
  29. Not involved in community discussions.
  30. not sure if I want the traffic at this time..
  31. Oversight, will be in the future
  32. Really? (2)
  33. SNR.
  34. Too high volume. I read the archives, when I'm curious.
  35. Too many lists, not an operator
  36. Too many mails.
  37. Too many trolls (2)
  38. Too much mail
  39. too much noise
  40. Too much noise in the signal. I may start again.
  41. too much noise, not enough signal
  42. Too much traffic. I typically subscribe about once every two years, attempt to read it for about six months, give up and unsubscribe.
  43. too muych mail
  44. Will do that now....
  45. Will sign up shortly. (2)
  46. Will soon.

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G2B. Did you visit the Vendor Collaboration Room on any day?

Yes

74

No

68

What are your comments about the Vendor Collaboration Room?

  1. A little bit understated. Could do more with it.
  2. A lot of good stuff
  3. A10 needs their lab env to be a bit more solid - live troubleshooting makes you look bad.
  4. At least as of Sunday... not a lot of gear in there. So what's the point?
  5. awesome
  6. Booth babes.... just kidding.
  7. boring
  8. Could have been bigger.
  9. did not have a chance unfortunately there were other schedule of interest, hopefully there will be a schedule next time that won't conflict.
  10. didn't see much vendor general interaction, more private meetings
  11. good
  12. Good & busy.
  13. Good addition, would like to see again. Good job Brzowski.
  14. good content, would be great to see more content there in the future
  15. Good demonstration of vender interoperability with IPv6 hybrid deployments
  16. good source of water.
  17. got blank looks from people when I did go to this
  18. Great concept and very interesting, keep it up!
  19. great idea...make it bigger!
  20. I did visit
  21. I intend on seeing this soon.
  22. I like it, please continue, psuh for more bakeoff's and trials.
  23. I spent an hour or so there, shmoozing with vendors and collecting shwag. Fun stuff.
  24. I would have liked a little more vendor people there to collaborate with.
  25. I would like to see more of it!
  26. It is a little clear what's going on in here.
  27. It made a quiet place to have a concall ;-)
  28. it needs a better venue
  29. It needs a different name. Sounds like it's for vendors, not all attendees. Better location than AUS though. At least it's on the same floor.
  30. It needs more vendors!
  31. it seemed under configured, and underused.
  32. It was a good place to talk about ipv6
  33. It wasn't until Wednesday morning that someone mentioned that this room was an opportunity for Vendor's to show their IPv6 capabilities. From the name, it sounded like a session for vendors to get together amongst themselves. I did not realize it was open to all attendees (Better description in agenda would help)
  34. It's a quiet place to work. :)
  35. It's nice to see not just gear, but gear working together. We should do a lot more of this, not just surrounding v6 but other subjects as well.
  36. Kind of small-scale, like Beer n' Gear without the beer. The fully-running network was interesting, but it would have been more interesting with attendees being permitted to touch and change things.
  37. Like it a lot. As an ISP employee, I am always interested what others are doing
  38. Liked the Comcast v6 demo
  39. More of this helps out, but it is probably deserving of its own event in the end. :)
  40. need to publicize a bit more (maybe a pdf within the agenda) - for more participation.
  41. nice facility
  42. Nice to have!
  43. Nice to see gear working together in an actual deployment.
  44. Nice, I like it...
  45. nice.
  46. Noone there to explain what was going on.
  47. Not really into gear, more concerned with forming personal connections and learning.
  48. Please change the name of this. It's awful. It doesn't suggest that it's aimed at the attendees, it sounds like it's "by vendors, for vendors".
  49. Pretty small and unimpressive, I'm afraid. Nothing like the Comcast dsLite demo at NANOG in Philadelphia.
  50. Quiet place to work, but got to meet A10 rep we've been working with.
  51. Schedule an actual meeting/lighting talk to pull more people in
  52. Seems more like a seating area than an area where active work / collaboration is going on.
  53. so far the only one i found is just used for power, not demos
  54. Sounds like a wonderful idea; looking forward to seeing it in person when our company has enough budget to send me to another NANOG in person. ^_^;
  55. Tell vendors to bring big screen monitors showing "cool stuff" so that people get drawn into,
  56. there was kit out, but no-one interested in showing how much of the stuff worked. I went in a few times.
  57. Thumbs up!
  58. unclear how to interact with it. no obvious interface--just boxes on the table.
  59. Very cool but too much of a break room environment
  60. Very Good
  61. Very informal and unstructured, I wasn't entirely sure of it's purpose.
  62. very informative about new product on the market
  63. Wanted to talk to vendors but they weren't there. More detailed diagrams of what we were looking at and benefits of their deployment would have been helpful.
  64. Was pretty empty when I first went in early Sunday.
  65. Where exactly is the collaboration? Trying to understand the value.
  66. Wish I got a chance to talk with Vendors with equipment in the room
  67. would be good to see more substantial demo or integration
  68. Would like to see the vendors themselves in there to chat with them.

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G3. Please provide your feedback about the NANOG wireless network. If you had problems, please be specific about what they were and how you resolved them, or about suggestions for future improvements.

  1. A little slow @ times on the wide open network. I know this is NANOG and this isn't going to get a lot of support, the details on how to setup the WPA2 network could of been more detailed.
  2. a little slow at times but ok
  3. All good
  4. all-in-all it was reliable, although a bit slow at times.
  5. Apart from the brief IPv6 outtage the network has been working very good and with decent speeds.
  6. attimes it is slow. but overall happy with connectivity.
  7. Awesome as always.
  8. Bad signal strength in hotel rooms regardless of network.
  9. Brilliant! Excellent coverage, fast, worked all the time.
  10. Could have been faster
  11. Easy connect, gets bogged down sometimes but does what I need it to do.
  12. Everything was fine for me. Though I was about 20 feet away from the AP on the right hand side that was on the floor and moved to the speaker at some point.
  13. Everything worked!
  14. Excellent (6)
  15. Excellent network
  16. Excellent service and coverage. Works everywhere I've used it, so far.
  17. excellent, no problems.
  18. Feedback on the WPA2 deployment: I don't think the APs can handle key management for this many unique clients. Monday was pretty painful. Tony's aware of the issue, but in the future if we want to do WPA the deployment may need to be a bit more dense in the general session room. Elsewhere it's great. The non-WPA deployment was great as usual.
  19. flawless
  20. Generally ok ... couldn't get nanog-a early on Weds
  21. Generally worked
  22. Good (4)
  23. Good coverage, liking the wpa2.
  24. Good session,
  25. Good speed.
  26. Good wireless
  27. Good. Keep up the good work tkap.
  28. Got kicked off once, other then that it is great!
  29. got the job done
  30. Great as always.
  31. Great.
  32. Had issues with WPA setup ... Had to fall back to "open" wireless
  33. HAd packetloss issues on the wireless network.
  34. Has worked fine.
  35. Have no had any issues
  36. hotel has been outstanding. close by shopping (e.g. Walgreens) for sodas and other basic needs. Simple to handle.
  37. I had no trouble in the Grand Ballroom, but could not connect at all in the Colonial room.
  38. I had problems with the wireless in the lobby on Sunday afternoon (high packet loss to the first hop). I cut over to the hotel lobby
  39. wireless during the problem.
  40. I had weirdly slow connections sometimes on nanog-a. Not sure if it was the local network though.
  41. i have no complaints
  42. I have not had any problems with the wireless network.
  43. I haven't had a single problem with the network
  44. I like the WPA2 with ldap
  45. I thought the wireless network was great this time around
  46. i'm suffering intolerable packetloss on SSID "nanog". i appreciate your efforts .. please improve the wireless :>
  47. In general works well. Classical problem is the shared broadcast domain, spouting out so much apple crap that fills the air and reduces air time capacity. Hard to watch the world cup :P
  48. It has been rock solid.
  49. It has worked well for me
  50. It is good.
  51. It was fine.
  52. It worked fine for me.
  53. It worked well, with no observable issues.
  54. It works better than the hotel's.
  55. It works without hitches....
  56. It's been great.
  57. It's been working great for me
  58. It's performed flawlessly for me
  59. It's performed very well.
  60. Leaving this blank since I provided it previously. mostly have experienced hella packet loss on "nanog". at the moment it's good, but probably due to less users.
  61. My 3rd floor room could not get a decent wireless connection to either the nanog or hotel wireless network (70% packet failure). That was not good!!!
  62. nanog-a generally reliable
  63. nanog-a was again better than nanog. IPv6 is still treated like a step child. Please start monitoring it. I lost connectivity many times and had 60% packet loss on Monday and Tuesday to the gateway. We need to start treating 6 better than 4. Monitoring would be a great start.
  64. Nearly flawless.
  65. network has been great
  66. Network has been great. Mostly bee using the v4 A wireless.
  67. No issues (4)
  68. No issues but the V6 facebook didn't work.
  69. no issues on wifi within the session areas.
  70. No issues. V6 worked. :-)
  71. No problems (8)
  72. No problems at all
  73. No problems for me
  74. No problems so far
  75. No problems Yay PEAP worked right away
  76. no problems, wish I had info on how to get onto the secure wireless
  77. no problems. I like having the A network.
  78. no problems. Much better than my last nanog
  79. no problems. Worked well.
  80. None except for usual Windows 7 vs. WPA2 learning curves.
  81. Not so good wireless connectivity
  82. Odd, but I can connect in the grand ballroom and italian room with no problem, but I can not connect when I am in the colonial room at all - not any nanog net, not the hotel net, nothing. I see good signal but connections fail. Weird.
  83. Outstanding!
  84. Overall it was good
  85. Pretty consistent and I didn't experience any problems. I did notice that the complimentary internet in our rooms was slower.
  86. Pretty good
  87. Satisfactory speed, no connectivity issues
  88. Seamless. Thank you.
  89. Seemed to be pretty good so far. A bit slow to log into, but once on, its fine.
  90. Seemed to work great, but some people seem to horribly abuse this as there are clear times when everything grinds to a halt.
  91. Seems to be filled with packet loss this time around.
  92. seems to be working well. I've noticed a couple of hiccups but no big deal.
  93. Seems to work ok
  94. So far it has been flawless
  95. super running wireless this time - rocking
  96. the first time i've ever used v6 to do anything and i did it because it just worked and i didn't really even need to do anything. which is exactly as it should be. nicely done to everyone in the stack.
  97. The NANOG network was great, loved the A/B/G/N options and the secured WPA-2 network.
  98. The NANOG WPA network has been a little flaky with DHCP and IP allocations..
  99. The network has been solid.
  100. the network is good
  101. The only problem was an hour or so window when the portion of the room I was in was without power. Fortunately, power was restored.
  102. the wired is dreadful slow, but the wireless is much better
  103. The wireless connection is good
  104. The wireless network was great, and seamless. Thank you.
  105. There were issues staying associated for some people, but I run FreeBSD and it seems to work decently for me. I brought my MiFi and used that for a portion of the time.
  106. these questions were answered in yesterday's survey.
  107. This has worked well
  108. This was good except for the usual Windows 7 lack of specific instruction, but this isn't NANOG's fault.
  109. This worked very well with the instructions provided for the secure network
  110. took me a while to find the documentation
  111. useful
  112. very fast
  113. Very fast. havent had any issues
  114. Very good (2)
  115. very good and stable
  116. very good, the v6 network is also excellent
  117. Very good: No artifacts noticed. Good V6 support.
  118. Very helpful, good coverage
  119. Very slow in the mezzanine outside the main ballroom.
  120. was fine for me, b/g (wpa2) was a bit laggy in the peering bof probably due to lots of clients
  121. was good work well most of the time
  122. Well done by tkap and crew! Worked good!
  123. Wifi worked
  124. wifi worked fine. it was also useful to have ipv6.
  125. Windows WPA2 configuration worked - extremely unintuitive using Dell/Intel wireless config tool - only mention it for future - instructions might need to be clearer.
  126. Wireless awesome
  127. wireless great
  128. wireless network has been great, both IPv4 and v6.
  129. Wireless was excellent
  130. Wireless? Wireless was fine. The power failed at the tables several times.
  131. Wonderful -- thank you Merit & Netflix.
  132. worked excellently. another job well done by tkap and associates.
  133. Worked fine for me.
  134. Worked fine.
  135. worked fine. Nice to see public v6 address space there.
  136. Worked flawlessly
  137. Worked flawlessly for me.
  138. worked great (2)
  139. worked great, dual-stack v6 worked w/o issues
  140. worked great. it's my only chance to use ipv6, since my home isp and work networks dont support it yet.
  141. worked like a champ
  142. Worked like a charm this meeting (I'm an "802.11a" user)
  143. worked pretty well considering the number (and type) of users
  144. Worked really well.
  145. worked very well.
  146. Worked well for me in the Grand Room, coverage a bit worse in space outside grand room. Held up well with the large attendance
  147. Worked well so far
  148. worked well.
  149. Worked well/no problems.
  150. worked without a hitch
  151. Working great so far
  152. works fine
  153. works great
  154. works great!
  155. Works great! hopefully there will be access hotel rooms
  156. Works just fine.
  157. Works quite nice, congrats.
  158. works very well (2)
  159. Works well.

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G4. What did you like/dislike about the meeting venue?

  1. A lot of opinions on techie stuff. Its okay and is known to happen.
  2. A/C too strong in the Grand ballroom
  3. AC on first day
  4. agenda was a bit weak, more real operational content needed
  5. All is good
  6. All is well.
  7. bay area is most convenient. great walking area.
  8. Beautiful hotel -- very nice facilities and food. Would definitely come back here.
  9. Beer&Gear room was crowded, not much air.

Break room "Italian Room" a bit small.

  1. central location is great. lots of food and transit choices. however, this hotel treats their employees poorly. there are ongoing protests about this.
  2. Centrally located; plenty of places to eat
  3. COLD (both inside and outside)
  4. Confusing hotel layout, I think.
  5. Cost of hotel. (Sure you're hearing that.) I stayed elsewhere. Given the density of hotels really nearby I suspect that's common.
  6. Could have used a larger room for beer 'n gear
  7. Crowded somewhat
  8. Damn expensive parking. Itialian room is too small for the breaks. Beer and gear space was too small. Could not get to some vendors.
  9. Easy to get to 46, Very nice venue, great location within the city.
  10. Easy to get to, enough room for everything/everyone, good location with a lot of options for accomodations and food.
  11. Elegant hotel
  12. elevators seemed congested
  13. everything is close by
  14. Excelent
  15. excellent location, am able to commute locally. Hotel is very good. connectivity good.
  16. Excellent venue, Food, space, meeting location
  17. excellent, high-class, establishment. well done by netflix.
  18. expensive, but nice
  19. Good choice. Classy.
  20. good location, big hotel, wasnt crammed in.
  21. good location. Lots of choices after conference for social and eating.
  22. Good venue, plenty of space, power. Would be good to have some private breakout rooms space for informal meetings where privacy is required...
  23. Good venue. Parking rates in this city are insane.
  24. great city and location. really cramped in the dining/food area.
  25. Great location and hotel.
  26. Great location that attracted a very large number of customers.
  27. great site, would come back here again
  28. Great venue, and SF is a terrific location. I would like to see us use SF again. The airport is convenient, and the metro to/from the airport helps keep down taxi costs.
  29. Great.
  30. hated the lifts in the hotel, the wifi in the hotel sucked also, and its not cheap!
  31. Hotel is great with a amazing atmosphere. Aircon is too cold in the ballroom
  32. hotel is horrendously expensive, wired ethernet in room didnt' work (as it didn't for many others), *everything* cost extra (wireless in room, gym access) and it was all way too expensive for a not very impressive hotel.
  33. hotel parking way too expensive
  34. Hotel was not as nice as some in the past and did not facilitate the group well on breaks
  35. I am ok with venue
  36. I don't like the cArpet. Have to be angrey about something here it seems.
  37. I like it.
  38. I like the location of the venue and the meeting rooms are good.
  39. I like this hotel, but the conference space is crowded in the hallways during breaks and it is tough to move about. Austin had ample space
  40. I liked that it was in the city with a lot of nice restaurant around. I liked the Internet service in the guest room. The breakfast/break area was a little small for this crowd.
  41. I liked the locale. Did not dislike anything.
  42. I love it
  43. I love the venue. (2)
  44. I loved it. San Fran is a great city and we should hold meetings in similar cities a whole lot more. I believe we can attribute our large attendance to the location.
  45. I loved the meeting venue. I'm unable to consider problems.
  46. I'd be nice if they kept some beverages out longer (ie coffee all morning, soda all afternoon)
  47. Internet is slow in guest rooms.
  48. It was cold
  49. It was fine. Nice selection of restaurants close to the hotel.
  50. It's a maze. Hotel rates seem a little high.
  51. Its a short day. :(
  52. its ok
  53. Leaving this blank since I provided it previously.
  54. Like
  55. Like everything about the venue so far. Little strange two floor layout, but that's fine. Would have preferred it to stay cold on the sides of the room, but I'm sure you guys were getting complaints for people too lazy to grab their hoody from their rooms.
  56. liked
  57. Liked it.
  58. Liked the city, the casual feeling. Disliked when operators start yelling at each other when they think the other person is wrong.
  59. Liked the hotel room and the conference rooms.. no real complaints.
  60. Liked the hotel.
  61. Liked the main room presentation setup with angled in screens - best I've seen lately. Great food, plentiful.
  62. LIked thus far..
  63. Likes: As a local who commuted, access to good parking and fairly reasonable parking rates. Dislikes: The large rooms besides the grand ballroom often had support columns that made it difficult to see and get around. Really think about how a room is laid out to provide easy movement of people. The screens need to be higher in the Grand Ballroom. Many presenters try to cram in so much into their slides that sometimes people's heads block being able to read the last 2-3 feet of the screens.
  64. Likes: Nice location. Dislikes: lighting was quite dim...esp in rooms other than Grand.
  65. Love the venue, everything was great and having a social each night was great for allowing outside of conference room business to get done. Well done!
  66. Loved it
  67. Maze
  68. Maze like
  69. Maze was tricky to figure out.
  70. Meeting venue was fine.
  71. nice architecture
  72. nice city
  73. Nice hotel, but a bit complex to navigate
  74. Nice hotel, good size meeting rooms, good location.
  75. Nice hotel. Room setup was great. Location is very good.
  76. Nice location, easy to get places. Expensive though. Overall, I liked it. Oh, and it was impossible to figure out how to get up & down the stairs & elevators.
  77. Nice rooms, nice room for tables for off-meeting discussions/work. Cost was prohibitive, so I stayed elsewhere
  78. Nice venue. Just a little cold in the room ;)
  79. No coffee in between breaks. That's surprising (and it sucks)
  80. no issues with venue
  81. No natural light in meeting/breakout areas. Coffee was stewed at times. Not much water supplied (one or two trays) in comparison to sodas (which there were loads of) at breaktimes. The break area was too small. The ballroom air conditioning was draughty and seemed to have cold spots.
  82. Non-smoking hotel.
  83. Non-smoking hotel. Great centralized location within the city, though.
  84. Not always enough seating
  85. nothing
  86. Nothing negative to say about the location. Ample parking, accomodations, food & entertainment.
  87. Nothing to dislike.
  88. Often hard to find various meeting rooms.
  89. Older hotel - has it's pluses and minuses
  90. older hotel; you get character, but a maze of hallways and weird aircon.
  91. other room than the grand room does not have the table and a little bit difficult to get a power point over there
  92. Overall, very good, including acoustics, which - as someone hard of hearing - are important. Very well-located venue. Very nice atmosphere except Elizabethan Conf C/D was ice cold. Needs more power outlets as some were greedy with it.
  93. parking was way too expensive!
  94. Perfect site
  95. Plenty of room
  96. power blocks missing in side rooms, microphone missing in side rooms so discussions are not heard very well
  97. pretty good venue. no complaints.
  98. Price of this venue is just shocking. Air con was a bit morgue like.
  99. Really nice location in San Francisco - it's easy to go out during the breaks and for those of us that travel from Europa it's a fantastic city to enjoy before/after NANOG. Easy to get to/from airport
  100. Rooms are great, building is interesting, very nice architecture
  101. Rooms expensive, but to be expected for location.
  102. San Fran is expensive for the rest of my family to enjoy themselves. (We're from central Virginia, where cost of living is cheaper.)
  103. San Francisco seems to be a bit expensive (my family is also buying food here, not on my employer's expense account), but maybe I'm just not used to living in big cities. But it's nice being right in the heart of things.
  104. Seemed a bit small for the amount of people attending.

S

  1. F is a great location, but can get expensive. The St. Francis does work pretty well, though, having the breakout rooms pretty close to the general session and lobby is nice.
  2. SF is nice, and hotel amenities and food were good. I was commuting in from Silicon Valley, which took some time and I wasn't able do any of the evening activities for personal reasons.

SFO was great, it drew a big crowd. Lots of restaurants and things to do within walking distance. Hotel was nice. Water was not put out at

  1. breaks, only soda.
  2. Size - would have liked a bigger venue.
  3. Some small screens on side would have helped as i couldn't see the small details of some slides.
  4. some talks felt cramped on time. From the middle to back of the main room it was near impossible to read most of the slides, but maybe I'm just going blind.
  5. somewhat expensive hotel wise, but hey!
  6. Superb hotel with a pleasant ballroom. The AV is excellent (especially sound)
  7. superb location
  8. The ballroom is probably a bit small for the number of attendees, and the room between the ballroom and the hall can get congested.
  9. the elevators were slow
  10. The elevators were slow.
  11. The Hotel is a bit confusing..other than that the Facility is nice
  12. The hotel is historica and while some areas have been rebuilt, it is a bit tired.
  13. The hotel rooms weren't as clean and classy as one would like for the price.
  14. The hotel staff for storing the bikes were rude. These are the folks parking the cars.
  15. The hotel's room network was excruciatingly slow, and the rooms weren't top-notch in terms of cleanliness/newness

.

  1. The meeting room layout is confusing in this place. The lifts are painfully rubbish.
  2. The meeting venue was great
  3. the only thing i dislike was the place in the Grand room. there were missing place. i know it was an attendance record.
  4. The rooms a bit cold. Other that, pretty good.
  5. the screens are difficult to see from the rear of the grand room.
  6. The venue is well organized, wished there was power connections in the other rooms for laptops.
  7. The venue was appropriate.
  8. The venue was pretty good, although San Jose is a bit better.
  9. the walkways were a little crazy....but its an old hotel.
  10. this is a nice venue. would come back
  11. This was one of the better venues I've ever attended at a NANOG meeting
  12. too cold too cold too cold! turn down the AC wish the tower elevator stopped on the mezzanine level
  13. Too expensive ... No family friendly
  14. Union Square has pretty expensive parking, but otherwise is a great location.
  15. venue was very nice. great location
  16. Very attractive hotel. The layout was a little confusing. The location of the hotel in relation to the overall city was very nice.
  17. very elegant establishment
  18. Very good location. Good food.
  19. Very good, very centralized area. Temperature controls were somewhat inconsistent, but acoustics very good and visuals good if one sits in front of the room.
  20. very simple complaint. not as handicap accessible as I would prefer. Would like "more" than one wide row in grand room, as I negotiate with a cane (some weeks yes, some no) and find it more comfortable to attend. The hotel is what it is, but they've also done a good job in assistance.
  21. Very spacious meeting rooms, the water being provided was nice, wireless everywhere from NANOG was great, fairly easy to get about the hotel. Very nice hotel.
  22. was fine for me.
  23. Was good. A bit convoluted getting around in the halls. Would have liked for breakfast to start earlier. The AC was a bit cold in the main meeting room.
  24. Weak bathroom on the middle floor. Tables a bit to close together.
  25. westin is comfortable. central location is great. but the westin treats its employees poorly. there have been protests lately.
  26. Westin St. Francis is very nice.
  27. What's not to like about SFO?

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G5. What worked well at this meeting?

  1. A lot of good topics and presenters. Well done.
  2. agenda
  3. Agenda was good and on target, kept to schedule.
  4. All (2)
  5. All of it
  6. All the logistics, the socials, the signs, were excellent.
  7. almost everything;-)
  8. Attendance
  9. audio, video and network all work well. Even sitting next to mic'd "questions from audience" sometimes hard to understand. Perhaps it's my location.
  10. BAU
  11. Beer (2)
  12. Better quality of topics.
  13. breakfast right outside the main meeting room was nice. Same for breaks.
  14. Can't think of anything that hasn't worked well. Seems very well planned and executed. Job well done, Netflix.
  15. Content has been great, number of powered rows, much better! BoF room sizes were perfect, schedule great.
  16. Diversity of presentations
  17. Drawings are great! Except next time I need to win something. :)
  18. Easy to get from room to room.
  19. Everything (6)
  20. Everything else :)
  21. Everything except for some veggie food at most of break+dinner.
  22. Everything is smooth thus far.
  23. Everything so far.
  24. Everything worked well
  25. everything, honestly, great host (netflix)
  26. everything. Thank you Netflix for the sweater, it was a lifesaver
  27. facility
  28. Flow was ver good on meeting.
  29. Food. Great food setup.
  30. food. location. excellent choice of topics.
  31. Giveaways were better orchestrated and had a more fair feeling.
  32. good attendance probably due to locale.
  33. good attendance.
  34. Good city selection.
  35. Good presentation
  36. Good sessions. Giveaways are good, great hosting/sponsors, good socials!
  37. Good social on Monday night. :-)
  38. Grand Hall, nice room.
  39. Great presentations, location
  40. Hotel wireless worked well also.
  41. I felt it was well organized
  42. I loved having all the socials within walking distance, so when tired, I could leave when I wanted
  43. I think the tracks were appropriate, and things generally went pretty well.
  44. i think this meeting has worked out well. some of the other meetings like Defcon are very disorganized and chaotic. Nanog has their stuff together
  45. it all seems to be going very well
  46. It was a good meeting
  47. It was fine. The room was a bit cold, requiring the Netflix hoodie most of the time.
  48. Leaving this blank since I provided it previously.
  49. location is great
  50. location, attendance, collaboration, facillities
  51. location.
  52. Location: great to be in SF, with easy access to BART and MUNI.
  53. logistics and talks
  54. lots of good places to go for lunch nearby
  55. lots of great socials
  56. Lots of power plugs, thanx.
  57. lots of space in the room, didn't feel like I had to sit on someone's lap audio good
  58. Me. Make my boss stop calling me.
  59. Meeting with guys for different companies.
  60. meeting with vendors and peers. having a face behind the email address
  61. Merit was very helpful and did a great job of support
  62. Most people were nice and good socials
  63. Most things, especially the main presentation talks and the security BOF I attended.
  64. Most things.
  65. Net in the grand ballroom has been solid.
  66. Netflix hosting was superb.
  67. no complaints, all was run smoothly
  68. OMG the hidef IPv6 video stream was *AWESOME!!* If that can keep happening, the remote participants will love you into oblivion!
  69. Overall, done very well.
  70. Overall, very smooth logistics for the presentations and facility.
  71. PA system in ballroom was very good. Very easy to hear, clear, natural sounding. Big improvement over AUS. Get these guys every time :). Good socials, good downtown venue. Close to shopping and facilities.
  72. Power strips on tables instead of on floor
  73. power strips, wireless. One track.
  74. Presentation system.
  75. pretty much everything is going well, except for wireless packetloss and the lack of good beer choices.
  76. Pretty much everything. One of the smoother ones I can recall
  77. pretty much everything...good visibility and sound setup made it easy to get involved.
  78. Schedule and punctuality.
  79. sessions flowed nicely
  80. SFO is one of the best places for a conference
  81. smooth meeting
  82. So far I think everything have come together really nice.
  83. So far, everything has been fine.
  84. socials and food.
  85. socials where fantastic. content was not as good as previous nanog meetings. opening presentation whilst being funny was stating the obvious in my view. IPV6 customer stuff was a massively missed opportunity. ASICs presentation was good.
  86. Streaming worked pretty well, although it looks like the HD streams were a different feed and didn't show the slides being projected?
  87. the A/V seemed to be consistently good
  88. The breaks.
  89. The continental breakfast in front of the Grand meeting room, where many of the most popular panels were held. One stop and you were good to go. it was easy to get from meeting room to meeting room. Things were well-signed when you were coming from different areas. The elevators in the hotel worked well.
  90. the hotel is good
  91. The network was excellent
  92. The outside events were all very close by-- very handy.
  93. the presentations
  94. The program is overall very good. The socials have been very close by and easy to find.
  95. The programs worked well for me. I learned new things.
  96. the sound
  97. The sponsors really came through. Much appreciated.
  98. The tutorial track was great, and the talks given on Monday were nearly uniformly good and relevant.
  99. things flow quite well.
  100. Things ran on time and smoothly.
  101. This being my first meeting, it's hard to compare to any others. Overall it well organized.
  102. Thought the meeting room worked very well for the large number of attendees
  103. timing so far has been great.
  104. tutorials. many new people. great hosts.
  105. venue and weather cooperated.
  106. Very well organized.
  107. wifi
  108. wifi, power and desks, very good breaks and food etc.
  109. Wifi, sound, visual fields were appropriate.
  110. wireless power
  111. wireless was good, all the tech stuff for meetings was good including sounds, video, etc.
  112. Wireless.

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G6. What should be improved for the next meeting?

  1. 802.11n is cool.
  2. Additional practical-tech talk. I really appreciate the academic research presentations, but it would be great to have more education/talks that can be applied in our jobs.
  3. Again, I think this year seems really heavy on the IPv6 talks, would like a little more spread-out number of topics
  4. All things are very good
  5. allow people to submit pix and publish a facepage of attendees on an opt-in basis.
  6. Any social events not providing substantial sustenance should be denoted as such. Twice this week I found myself drinking heavily with no food in sight. Brownies do not count. :)
  7. At the parties, venues need to have private areas without the noise for conversations to take place. Both parties have been too loud to have any substantial conversations.
  8. better beer selection (e.g. more variety). pick a location that treats its employees better.
  9. better content!
  10. Better hotel. It doesn't have to be in the center of an expensive city.
  11. break-out sessions?
  12. coffee and fruit juice all day long
  13. Curtail/limit-duration-of bureaucratic discussions (eg. the new Nanog structure). Let's not not lose track of the actual goal....technical network operations. Sure, logistics are important...however, there are other ways to not was time for 500+ people most of whom are not too interested in the logistics etc.
  14. Denver, CO
  15. Don Welch needs to step up to the plate and participate more.
  16. earlier breakfast. more private break out areas.
  17. Ensure wireless access is available throughout entire facility.
  18. extend the NANOG wireless to the hotel rooms
  19. facilitate more one-on-one meeting 'corners'
  20. Find cheaper parking with the same type of great, centralized location. (Good luck!)
  21. Get slides on website before presos
  22. hotel pricing.
  23. I prefer a wider layout to the big room.. hard to see slides at the back.
  24. I'm fairly new to attending NANOG conferences & some of the topics are relatively new to me. Most of the presenters jump right into their presentations but it would be nice if there was an intro page to set the context of their presentation. 1 or 2 presenters did do this & it help me to understand what space they were trying to address, what they were trying to take away & what they wanted us to take away.
  25. Improve the resolution of the camera system. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:19 AM Find... 2. Not an improvement, but a request... please think of keeping the meetings in major city locations.
  26. IPv6 connectivity, survey revamp, water at breaks (not everyone wants a sugar rush)
  27. Juice available not just during breakfast
  28. just someplace warm
  29. Keep it on.
  30. Keep it up. All is well.
  31. keep the venues interesting and attractive
  32. keep up the attendance and interesting topics.
  33. Less discussions around the same IPV6 talks or a new spin on it.
  34. less vendor pitching in presentations.
  35. Longer lunch break
  36. Make more organized opportunities to meet others.
  37. Make sure that the presenters have their latest slides on the website. Sometimes they use more recent slides for the presentation but it does not correspond with the ones on the website.
  38. More bottled water.
  39. more break out rooms.
  40. More breakout sessions with tutorials.
  41. More breakout sessions. Some of the general sessions not of interest.
  42. more coffee all the time.. not just during breaks.
  43. More comfortable chairs in the general session rooms.
  44. more lightning talks
  45. more mic's in the smaller meeting rooms. Videos of the meetings available for download by attendants/members. More real discussions sessions
  46. More speakers, maybe one more hour in the day. Parties are not important to me, sorry.
  47. Narrower meeitng room configuration.
  48. Need a table where speakers can report to so they can handle uploading the latest slides (with last minute revisions).
  49. need to consistently put up presentations before the talk
  50. no idea (2)
  51. None at this time.
  52. not much, overall a pretty good meeting
  53. Nothing (3)
  54. nothing comes to mind
  55. offer cloning so I can attend interesting parallel 'afternoon' tracks :-)
  56. one more break per day
  57. People need private (semi-private) meetings rooms. We had a lot of one-on-one meetings that would have liked to had somewhat privately. Others said the same thing.
  58. Perhaps more lightning talks.
  59. Personally it seems like there is this idea around NANOG attendees that everyone here is the best of the best, and there seems to be a lack of tutorials presumably because 'n one' here needs them, yet the mission statement of NANOG seems to state otherwise. I would like to see more emphasis on tutorials as an option to some of the main talks. I enjoyed both the MLPE and Automation tutorials on Sunday, and wish there were more tutorials to attend.
  60. Plan the spaces for the number of folks.
  61. Power distribution on main meeting room - more power strips - put them on the floor.
  62. Proper online question facility.
  63. Provide slides in HD streams. Post presentation materials to the website before a talk starts so that people can follow along on their own computer.
  64. Security, I heard that there were a few laptops stolen, and some intrusion by some non-paying vendors.
  65. Should have more vendor's presentation and detail. size the room for the expected attendence. The main halls were fine, but the beer and gear and snack spaces were way too small. Some portions of the agenda were a little week.
  66. Somehow you need to check more about the quality of the presenters and not just their presentation. Not easy but a couple of people presenting made me want to poke a fork in my eye.
  67. Strict limits on questions at the end. People should be limited to asking one question and getting one answer, if they have more questions they can ask privately. Otherwise some questions end up being a public conversation limiting other's time.
  68. The presentation slides are not put up on the web site quickly.
  69. The speeches were mostly too much about IPv6, or almost deliberately hard to understand. Some were excellent, usually ones from google or Mac.
  70. The slides of each talk should be available online before the talk starts. - The presenters should be provided with a laser pointer. the tutorials should not overlap so much. I missed a couple due to overlap.

the wireless, pick a better hotel (in terms of how it treats its employees), more beer choices.

  1. There were very few "how to's" at this NANOG compared to previous events, and they were badly missed. More screens for people in back so they don't have to squint. I specifically sat up front to avoid this problem, but for some it was troublesome.
  2. Unsure.
  3. Video resolution and presentations being online when the presentations start.
  4. We need to figure out a way to keep the coffee out longer in the mornings.
  5. wiki? local info pointers?

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G7. Do you have suggestions for topics and/or speakers for future NANOG presentations?

  1. A review/changes on ISP best practices
  2. anycast and routing
  3. Anything but panels that are full of the same old people who are usually under-qualified to sit on these panels in the first place.
  4. BGP security
  5. Big nietwork migrations.
  6. cloud computing impact on networks.
  7. Continued focus on IPv6, a call for educational institutions to discuss more their challenges and solutions.
  8. DDoS and attack mitigation would be interesting
  9. expected to see more service providers/operators
  10. Have law enforcement talk about how they work with network operators to facilitate investigations and best practices that help them
  11. out without invading customers' privacy.
  12. how about implementation presentations directed at mid-level network admins?
  13. How to transition an ISP to v6
  14. I like this agenda - v6, security, routing, DNS.. along the right track.. Interesting to see more CPE/End system folk here, think it's a good thing.
  15. I really, really want to hear someone from a content provider talk about IPv6 load balancing; it's the one area that is a huge gap in the roadmap for being able to deploy IPv6 for larger companies.
  16. I think it was a good balance of technical vs. breadth.
  17. I think the PC has been doing a great job. I'd volunteer for the PC if I thought I could do better.
  18. I'd be interested in some presentations that go up the stack a little bit more - my world right now is the world of application switching, which some purists would say is not "real" networking but I think some people would be interested in. I might have a topic to contribute; I'll discuss with my management to figure out if it's baked enough to present.
  19. I'd like to see some information about the broadband stimulus, and penetration of high capacity internet access in North America.
  20. Implications of Smart Grid, Tim Polk, NIST Working with DHS / CERT Update on RPKI, ARIN

In a lot of ISPs, fixed / wired-line and mobile engineering groups are merging -- sharing the same backbone and now many of the same planning / ops responsibilities. More presentations around mobile and implications on backbone engineering, security, etc.

  1. IPv6 peering - real world scenarios - Scalable IPv6 solutions - parity in your IPv4 and IPv6 solutions - BGP free core - why and how - Network Performance Management - why and how
  2. It would be interesting to hear more from actual operators about experiences in the field. Especially failures with some post-mortem analysis. I realize this is difficult because generally people don't like to air their issues - but we learn more from failures than many successes. We get a lot of presentations from researchers that are theoretical in nature.
  3. Keep up the IPv6 push. It's important. These seminars are mostly geared for large network operators, but not as much for operators of smaller networks. Some addition could be had for that.
  4. Keynotes like CTO FedEx / large commercial entities (non-typical NANOGers). Vijay was great, but still we can do better than this.
  5. LTE.
  6. Maybe some more slightly relevant security stuff, the theory was neat but generally not well researched on the practical side; seemed more like a thesis than a study.
  7. more "how we did something wicked awesome and/or huge and scalable" vs academic analysis
  8. more carrier focused, tools, ipv6 from a carrier perspective, etc.
  9. more content ...
  10. More diversity. 3 presentations on BGP Security back-to-back-to-back, where a lot of the presentations were duplicated was a bit much.
  11. More DNSSEC
  12. more dnssec?
  13. More IPv6
  14. More IPv6 success stories.
  15. More lightning talks and better key notes. I would rethink having all the geeks do keynotes. Why not ask visionaries like Gates, Jobs, Ballmer etc to come and talk?
  16. more mpls
  17. More operational experiences.
  18. More security and best practices talks for the general audience, not just in the SEC BOF.
  19. More talks on ipv6
  20. More technical discussion.
  21. More technical how-to's as there used to be. The "no marketing" approach should be maintained.
  22. More technical issues related to peering.
  23. more v6, less research track. more peering.
  24. mpls te
  25. New Vendor Technologies would be nice
  26. No (4)
  27. None at this time.
  28. not really. this meeting had a good mix of different and interesting topics
  29. Nothing
  30. Please....try to spell the problem more clearly. Going off without sufficient background-setting is a recipe for the talk being a "monologue".
  31. RPKI real world implementation issues. How will those routers interact with RPKI?

Security, botnets, actual discussions from people who resolved individual problems, instead of "Here's the arcane things that we're doing at Cisco that aren't even RFCs."

  1. security, IPv6 (good coverage this time) in the residence. Seemed to be focus on the core, but the core is pushed to the consumer now with FIOS and related tech.
  2. See above.
  3. similar
  4. some more technical meat would be nice
  5. Subseacables
  6. The ASIC preso was interesting - more hardware platforms would be great. More RF presentations would be great (microwave ethernet, and LTE/mobile). An introduction to GRX (GPRS roaming exchange peering), including the IPX work
  7. Wasn't able to attend Sunday, so I missed the MPLS related tutorials. It would be nice to see these in the regular sessions.
  8. Would like to see 'behind the scenes' type of presentation from large network operator. Architecture overview, etc.
  9. would like to see more talks about analyzing IPv4/v6 traffic with an eye toward application usage analysis and how that relates to cloud computing
  10. Yes more on networking protocols.
  11. yes!
  12. Yes. Will send to PC
  13. You might like to try to get a Mobile operator to tlak about their IP network and issues. The topic of IPv6 in the Home which was touched upon yesterday needs follow-up

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G8. Suggestions and volunteers for future NANOG Hosts, who work to locate the venue, provide connectivity and staff the meeting.

  1. Akamai, apple, nlayer, facebook
  2. Atleast one west coast per year, please.
  3. better wireless thruput / less packetloss
  4. Centrally located venues where lots of geeks live are wonderful. Dearborn, MI is not centrally located.
  5. Cities with easy ingress and egress,hotels with lots of restaurants, bars and clubs close by
  6. copy this meeting
  7. Dallas, Denver, Chicago, St. Louis (big central cities in US with major air carrier support. NAP cities should be good for finding hosts.
  8. For a networking function, the lanyards were too long, so that we couldn't easily see someone's name or title. I missed the newcomers breakfast which should be opent o all and called the "newcomers/introductory" breakfast so that we who watn to meet people can.
  9. good folks
  10. Google
  11. Hawaii.
  12. I have no problem to volunteer for next NANOG meeting
  13. I'd suggest asking Akamai if they wanted to host in Boston.
  14. Keep to major cities, as I can combine other business with Nanog meetings, helps with sign off for travel etc.
  15. Keep up the awesome work. Your efforts are much appreciated. Would be nice if you could put up a web page acknowledging the hard work done. simple, but professionally nice thing to do.
  16. Maybe have local telco's or colo facilities offer tours?
  17. More meetings in San Francisco
  18. More outside the US. Maybe Mexico?
  19. None at this time.
  20. Nothing
  21. nowhere cold
  22. Some vendors were really good and had lots of detail. Others had issues with assumptions. Very tough crowd and made sure have ducks in a row.
  23. thanks
  24. they have been great
  25. this is a question?
  26. Warm = good. Central to geeks = good. Dearborn, MI = bad.

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G9. Suggestions and volunteers for the NANOG Marketing Working Group and future NANOG sponsors: (Whom should we recruit for monetary support in exchange for exhibit area, corporate visibility, and community recognition?)

  1. Anyone that needs the Internet to reach their customers - Amazon, Starbucks, Expedia .... apple
  2. Continue to recruit the big names (Juniper, Cisco), you may also want to look at Palo Alto networks since Huwai had a bit of time in the spotlight.
  3. copy this meeting
  4. dunno
  5. good folk
  6. Google--they have lots of money. And Apple. :D
  7. Great to see a grey market vendor at the B&G.
  8. I am willing to volunteer for the Marketing working group, and can help with logistics a bit in Atlanta since I am based there (Brandon Ross). Also my employer, Torrey Point may be willing to sponsor a break/party/whatever for Atlanta.
  9. Keep the actual content technical, not vendor-centric. so far you have done a good job with this. Don't change it.
  10. Soak Google and Microsoft for all they're worth. :)
  11. Specifically, let me suggest that social events would be nicely served by selecting venues that aren't so loud - the Monday night event gave me a sore throat! Not that we shouldn't do stuff like bands, clubs, etc but if so, find someplace that has alternate areas where people can talk in normal tones of voices.
  12. sponsorship was well done
  13. The guys with money - Google, MS, cisco, Juniper....
  14. They seem to be doing a good job.
  15. Would like to actively recruit "tech" talks from the current group of beer-n-gear vendors. Not sales pitch, but focus on upcoming tech. Tell apple to "ditch" the standard disclaimer stuff, it's annoying and insulting.

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G10. Why do you attend NANOG?

  1. 1) Brain candy 2) Social networking (to meet all those people I communicate with blindly over the last year)
  2. 1) Netgeek lessons, 2) Socializing (meeting all the people I've been talking to via IM/e-mail/phone for years)
  3. Ability to meet with peers and colleagues at a common location (ie: People COLO)
  4. allows me to get out of my bubble and see what the rest of the community is doing and or interested in. am a network engineer who is looking to connect with others, including past coworkers
  5. As a speaker I attend to talk about the opportunity to do business in Haiti in the telecom sector particularly in the post earthquake period.
  6. As I've gained experience, all the topics and presentations started to resonate more than ever. I've been most stimulated by this NANOG, over all the previous times I came. Thank you.
  7. Because I'm a giant nerd, really.
  8. Because it's NANOG!
  9. Business and peer relationships.
  10. Bussiness
  11. career development, acquire technical clue, see friends and colleagues and contribute to international network collaboration.
  12. Catch up with community members and hear what's new/happening
  13. center of the network-plumbing universe; no other conference has this sort of makeup (perhaps interop comes the closest).
  14. Community networking. (2)
  15. Conduct business.
  16. Connecting with peers and keeping up with what is happening in the community.
  17. contacts/face to face meetings.
  18. Content. Updates on IPv6, DNS and understanding the challenges and opportunities facing the network operations community.
  19. Content/meer peers/other engineers
  20. discuss issues with other attendees.
  21. Education on technology I don't come in contact with; social networking
  22. Excellent education topics. Industry networking
  23. Excellent technical content and social networking.
  24. Exposure to new people and real-world information.
  25. First time and wanted to see who was here.
  26. First time to see how it is useful.
  27. First time.
  28. For the atmosphere and attitude.
  29. For the conversations in the hall. For a 100K ft view of the state of "internet operations."
  30. for the women
  31. friends and education
  32. Gaining more information on what's happening with the community in general
  33. Get to meet and talk to other operators, see emerging new technologies from vendors and the general direction/trend of operators
  34. get updates from the netops field and hot issues in the industry. learn new topics. network with vendors and peers.
  35. Getting and staying in contact, seeing what others are up to.
  36. good presentations. Various peering discussions. networking within the community.
  37. hallway and interesting keynote-style presos of awesomeness, lightning talks.
  38. Hallway conversations
  39. here latest word about network operation, routing behavior, problems and solutions, direct from those who are doing the work.
  40. I ask myself the same question every time I read the agenda
  41. I attend NANOG as a way to grow my professional knowledge and social connections. I enjoy the overall experience.
  42. I attended NANOG to learn what operators do in the US, so I can see trends and in general try to take some ideas to improve my ISP,
  43. located in Costa Rica. Latin America is always behind so, I'd like to narrow the gap when possible.
  44. I don't know why I attend any more
  45. I was here primarily for beer and gear, but it was great attending all the talks.
  46. I'm a network engineer. I do BGP.
  47. Info on v6 deployment among carriers, among enterprises; and to see some of the latest carrier networking technologies / innovations
  48. Information
  49. information on operator issues.
  50. interact in person. good presentations. affordable option for company.
  51. IPv6
  52. It's a very marketing free conference and always has big value.
  53. it's my first meeting, I am a systems/network engineer and I find the content of the talks very useful.
  54. Keep updated on latest development in the area
  55. Learn about the latest operational problems and how smart and experienced people are trying to solve them.
  56. Learn interesting things about current networking. Meet and talk with people from other organizations who do jobs like mine.
  57. Learn new ideas I can incorporate into other networks, find new contacts in the industry, and stay current with the movers and shakers in the industry.
  58. learn stuff and NETWORK with community....
  59. Like minds smashing together to shoot ideas
  60. Like to meet and talk to other network operators and see what are major technologies out there and challenges
  61. local presence, great group of attendees, some interesting presentations
  62. Looking for job opportunities and to network with other people in the IP Networking field.
  63. LOVE this conference - very technical, not too stuffy, very respectful. Plus a great chance to meet the field's rock stars.
  64. make connections, learn new things
  65. Make contacts and learn
  66. Meet contacts, learn new technologies, better understand the internet as a whole, and try to make the internet a better place through community feedback.
  67. Meet new people and to learn as much as I can about networking in general.
  68. meet other ISPs and keep current of the knowledge of the Internet industry
  69. Meet others in my industry, learn from experts
  70. Meet partners / customers / colleagues.
  71. Meet peers, learn best practices, see upcoming technologies
  72. Meet peers, listen to interesting presentations.
  73. Meet people and learn about state-of-the-art deployments
  74. meet people and learn about what's real in networking
  75. meet people in the industry, learn what everybody else is doing.
  76. Meet the people and find out what is going and what ops are doing
  77. Meet up with folks and learn some cool new stuff.
  78. meet up with folks and listen to some interesting talks
  79. Meet vendors/peers face to face and to learn about projects that are not within my day-to-day job
  80. Meet with customers.
  81. Meet with peers and learn more/about technologies
  82. My company has moved me into their enterprise products which has really impacted my ability to stay current on SP network directions/complexities which is/was my area of expertise. NANOG provides some insights into what's going on.
  83. NANOG is one of the places where I keep in touch with colleagues, discuss current issues, etc. Basically, typical "hallway track" stuff.
  84. Nanog's are an excellent place to meet new contacts
  85. Network and listen to what other people are doing.
  86. Network/meet people
  87. Networking (3)
  88. networking - presentations. - peering discussions.
  89. Networking and looking for research topics
  90. Networking and see what others are up to.
  91. Networking with colleagues - some on content but most of it is available elsewhere.
  92. Networking with others in the industry.
  93. Networking with others.
  94. networking with peers, face time with peer/partners from far away, drink lots of beer
  95. Networking, education, parties.
  96. networking, get a pulse of the industry
  97. networking, job serach
  98. Networking, talks are hit and miss. Usually a good time.
  99. New people and tech.
  100. Peering and developing new relationships and technical knowledge
  101. Peering and education.
  102. Peering contact opportunities. Staying up to date with other operators. Social interaction with industry peers.
  103. Peering, friends, etc
  104. Peering, visit San Francisco
  105. people networking, plus talks
  106. people, sessions.
  107. Personal networking. Stay current on technology.
  108. Presentations ... Subsidized family vacation
  109. Presentations + meet people
  110. presentations and meeting colleagues
  111. presentations, meetings
  112. Presenting
  113. Presenting at the research forum meeting with operators to get feedback
  114. Presenting at the research forum. Interacting with operators to get feedback on our work.
  115. Primarily for beer and gear
  116. Primarily to hear news about the community and what's going on in the industry
  117. program content and the opportunity to see people I usually communicate with via email or irc
  118. Revenue generation, putting faces to names, learning new things (hopefully not making a mistake someone else did), new security techniques, and to stay current.
  119. Social aspects, keep up to day.e
  120. Social connections -- keep up on new idea.
  121. Social interactions and relationship development
  122. Social network, talks and spoke.
  123. social networking
  124. Social networking and to get a deeper understanding of the issues affecting us (ie. IPv6 implementations) in a more interactive environment ...
  125. stay up to date with the ISP community
  126. Stimulating topics, able to examine and learn from [sometimes help with] hard problems, rub brains with folks at my level.
  127. Team Cymru is committed to NANOG and we attend and present at as many events as possible
  128. Technical data and social networking
  129. Technical discussion with peers. REAL Peering discussions with peers. Industry discussions with peers. Vendor insight from peers. Networking for recruiting to my company as well as seeing what else is out there for myself.
  130. Technical Information and social / professional networking.
  131. Technical information primarily, interaction with colleagues.
  132. Technical information.
  133. technical presentations. networking.
  134. the discussions seemed interesting. and our offices are located close by so it was an easy sell to the boss.
  135. The hallway conversations and general session, for the most part.
  136.  
  137. The hallway conversations are of great value, and one can get a lot out of the general sessions and BOFs.
  138. The people in the hall
  139. The presentations are always helpful/thought provoking.
  140. To check out carrier readiness with v6, learn more about carrier practices.
  141. To conduct business. Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:19 AM Find... 2. social networking/tech presentations
  142. to expand my network engineering knowledge and meet / socialize with customers
  143. To expand my personal network and put faces on the people I talk to on irc
  144. To get a different perspective on the interesting technical problems.
  145. To get a feel for what's on peoples minds, both in the directions the talks take as well as the general schmoozing and interaction.
  146. To hear from the operators (as part of the direct presentations, comments from the floor, and hallway conversations) about what is actually needed to address real-world issues.
  147. To interact with counterparts colleagues, customers and friends in the industry. The opportunity to get updates and best current thinking of the operations of critical North American networks is invaluable.
  148. To interact with the community.
  149. To interact with the networking community.To get latest updates on the happenings in the networking community.
  150. To keep up to date with our community development and meet and interact with people.
  151. To keep up to date with what's going on
  152. To know new things
  153. To know the problems existing in the networks
  154. to learn
  155. To learn about new networking topics, mostly, and to get perspective from much larger network operators -- i.e., to know how the big boys do things that we are just starting to do.
  156. To learn about new technologies, catch up with old friends, network with peers, etc.
  157. to learn about what is going on in the industry so as to keep connected and up to date.
  158. To learn and exchange ideas or information and meet with other professionals in the industry.
  159. To learn and inspire. Owen Roth.
  160. To learn and to network with fellow network geeks.
  161. To learn and to network with people.
  162. To learn from experts in the fields I am interested in (especially IPv6, BGP, etc)
  163. To learn from other people and understand what is going on for the internet revolution
  164. To learn more /provide input into processes and discussions (BoF)
  165. to learn more about where things are going. best pratices
  166. to learn stuff and geek out
  167. to learn stuff, to geek out.
  168. To learn the state of the field and meet some of my peers.
  169. To learn what is going on in the industry to get exposed to what other sites are doing
  170. To learn what teh tech community was talking about.
  171. To listen to what the community is discussing through the presentations and an opportunity to network with others in the community.
  172. To look for opportunities and networking.
  173. To maintain social relationships, talk directly to other engineers about specific technical topics.
  174. to mantain relatioship, and to know other people with new bussiness oportunities
  175. to meet all my peers
  176. To meet industry peers and colleagues, network, and share clue.
  177. To meet large network operators
  178. To meet my peers and see what other folks are doing.
  179. to meet peaple, gather intelligence, discuss of techniques....
  180. To meet peers and verndors and to learn more .
  181. To meet people from the industry, get some inspiration and a few days away from my busy schedule at work
  182. To meet people involved in network discussions and learn about policies and procedures for deploying and managing networks.
  183. To meet people with a common intrest
  184. To meet with people.
  185. to meet with those who are operators, to hear current operational practices, problems, and solutions
  186. To network and interact with my peers and to understand the current state of the art in network operations.
  187. to network and learn what's new in the industry.
  188. To network and support the networking community.
  189. To network with my peers.
  190. to network with other experts around the world and catch up with friends in the industry mostly.
  191. to network with other networkers and present some tools that might be helpful for other network operators
  192. To network with other networks; to present my own experiences with others
  193. To network with peers
  194. to network with people and to learn
  195. To network with the members.
  196. To network with vendors
  197. to network, to meet people who do the tech, and to see the reactions to presentations about how folks are doing business.
  198. To see how NANOG works and what topics it discuss
  199. To see where the industry is going.
  200. To stay connected to the networking business - now that I'm in the bay area that may be easier than it was in Atlanta. Great opportunity to rub shoulders, and some excellent presentations on the Neat Stuff that others are doing.
  201. to stay up to date what is going on in the ISP community
  202. To try to understand what issues are of most concern to the operators.
  203. to widen up the knowledge and to get to know other peers from other region.
  204. topics of interest
  205. Understand transition. Catch up with friends. Meet customers and clients find jobs
  206. V6 info
  207. Wanted to get some industry knowledge and meet with techies that use networking equipment, and general exposure to current Internet
  208. routing issues.
  209. Wanted to know what this is about
  210. Was asked to speak about network automation tools.
  211. We are a large content site and social network platform, not an ISP, but it's always educational technically and culturally to hear so much that overlaps with our own work on WANs and data center connectivity.

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G11. Is there something you would like to comment on which does not fit into a question above? Please leave your comments here.

  1. All NANOG meetings should be join NANOG/ARIN meetings and there should only be two a year. everything is going well, thanks!
  2. Hopefully hotel accomodation can be arranged for attendees to be extended for at least 2 hours after the event to give way for preparation before travel
  3. I have serious concerns about the financial stability of NewNOG. While Merit may be gouging Nanog for the meetings, not having an established track record for running presentations will affect Newnog's ability to get favorable venue contracts...and the venues will likely demand much more up-front. If you go too far into vendor sponsorship then NewNOG will be accused of becoming a vendor lapdog, not enough and they'll be financially unstable. You may want to consider, in addition to genuine sponsorships, selling larger sponsorships that will guarantee memberships for a period of time. This will give you a starting liquid cash base to get the first Nanog covered...but will be at the expense of future revenues.
  4. I noticed the nearby hotels were almost uniformly cheaper than the discounted St. Westin rate. In fact, I was able to find a better rate at $204 from a stock Expedia request. This may be normal.
  5. I think this NANOG was very well done and like the large number and variety of people that show up for the Bay Area events. Like the Super Bowl should only rotate between a few cities, it would be nice to have the Bay Area more frequently represented.
  6. I would like to get a better view into how the sausage is made in regards to programming the event. What things were turned down, perhaps allow members to vote up topic ideas for future NANOGs. I have no problem with the PC having final say for NANOG X, but if the PC consistently sees rejected topics A,B and C voted up, maybe that can be feedback for things that the community is interested in seeing presented.
  7. If there are 3 meetings a year then at least 1 should be in the Bay Area. For better or worse there are a LOT of operators here. Like the fact that conference clothing give-aways are more often available in small sizes. (I am female.) Please keep that up. Merit would be a great contractor for the "newnog" thing to use.
  8. Netflix deserve congratulations on hosting both NANOG and the Monday night social which was one of the best in recent times. Presenters *must* be understandable, and some presenters had unfortunate dialectical or language accents that made them extremely difficult to understand.
  9. Quack quack.
  10. SC doing great.
  11. Since we are doing daily survey, some of the questions don't need to be repeated (e.g., first and last pages) if they been answered in the previous day(s).
  12. surveys should be cumulative...only present questions I haven't already answered
  13. Thank you for having this NANOG in a downtown core, and not in the middle of nowhere like Dearborn. :)
  14. Thanks again for another great meeting.
  15. Thanks to Netflix for hosting this NANOG
  16. Thanks very much for having us.
  17. The 'G' questions might be saved for the last day, it's somewhat repetitive to have to fill them out each day, when things may not have changed. Perhaps they should be a survey of their own, separate from the daily surveys, that can be filled out at any time.
  18. The reference to 'twitter.com' in the social media question is a little imprecise; most folks use various twitter clients, not the website itself. Next time naybe just "using twitter' or something similar.
  19. The sweatshirts were beautiful & a great idea, but it would have been nice to have women's sizes or at least Men smalls.
  20. Too much hostility - session moderators should stem the sit down and stfu comments. Encourage a professional and couteous environment please.
  21. would like a handicap spot, or the ability to request a seat reservation based upon a special need. (am permanently disabled, room to stretch left leg really does help my comfort) ;-) but, seriously, all was well done thus far. good job.
  22. Yes. We need better security and checking of badges.

 

 

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